N.T. Wright on sin

RJM Corbet said:
What happens to the soul after death of the body?

Does the soul go into 'hibernation' until reunited with the body at the final resurrection of the dead?
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I would say it's best to wait and see :)
It's enough for me to know that I will exist in some shape or form after death.
Natutrally, I wish for a blessed existence in this life and the next.
 
muhammad_isa said:
I would say it's best to wait and see :)
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Can't beat that.

I would say, if we depart this life and enter an eschatalogical condition outside of time and space, there is no 'until'? Just thinking aloud.
 
Thomas said:
Can't beat that.

I would say, if we depart this life and enter an eschatalogical condition outside of time and space, there is no 'until'? Just thinking aloud.
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Ok. Good point.

Some religions do not believe in 'life after death'. However Christianity seems to be one that does. Unless there is a sort of stasis of the soul between death and resurrection of the body?
 
I can't find a way to accept resurrection of the body. The timelessness of any condition after death does help explain. But as you said, who knows?
 
Who knows is awesome and refreshing y'all!

As described many times the reason I rejected my religious upbringing as a kid and many times as an adult is all the people who "knew", all the thumpers who told us you are going to hell if you do that and how we'll see our relatives or dogs in heaven...

Who knows suits me fine.
 
Thomas said:
What about His body?
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The resurrection of The Christ.

The general resurrection of all the dead at the parousia (I think it's called) would mean standing room only on the poor planet Earth.

The Resurrection of 'a' body -- a spiritual body in a spiritual dimension -- would work? Unlike the Nicene Creed, The Apostles Creed doesn't mention baptism for the forgiveness of original sin. I have a problem with baptism taking away original sin.

Otherwise I'm fine with Apostles Creed.
 
RJM Corbet said:
The Resurrection of 'a' body -- a spiritual body in a spiritual dimension -- would work?
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I think something along those lines. Remembering that the body in question would be incorruptible, we're talking of a non-contingent cosmos, so a different order of body altogether.
 
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I like this take a lot, it makes sense to me and it is aesthetic in a way.

Thomas said:
But see the fruit for what it is — something natural, with all the allure of nature, something by which we traded participation for possession, and in so doing, lost everything.
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This is where it gets somewhat murky for me. Where we do not possess, we do not have ownership, and thus we do not have immediate responsibility or agency over the fruit. Or am I reading too much into this?

It might RJMs comments. And en exchange Thomas and I hade years ago, if I remember correctly, concerning secular politics having had it's chance. Or something to that effect.

My limitations concerning faith is a lack of understanding of how to integrate the divine into our society in a practical way. In my prejudice I see a praying and hoping for the best attitude in favor of actively working towards what we understand right now to be the best. A flawd strategy itself, but, like democracy, superior to all other.

If I made to much out of nothing, I would love to hear more on this in another thread!
 
A Cup Of Tea said:
Where we do not possess, we do not have ownership, and thus we do not have immediate responsibility or agency over the fruit. Or am I reading too much into this?
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I'd say where we seek to possess is to claim agency (if I read you right), and in so doing determine and direct things according to a subjective and momentary good?

A definition of agency offers:
'Individual agency is when a person acts on his/her own behalf, whereas proxy agency is when an individual acts on behalf of someone else'

So I see our Biblical relation as very much the proxy.

A Cup Of Tea said:
My limitations concerning faith is a lack of understanding of how to integrate the divine into our society in a practical way. In my prejudice I see a praying and hoping for the best attitude in favor of actively working towards what we understand right now to be the best.
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The two should go hand-in-hand, although of course there will be disputes when 'what we understand right now to be the best' might not be the best at all, from either side of the divide.
 
Thomas said:
what we understand right now to be the best' might not be the best at all, from either side of the divide.
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Isaac Asimov 'I Robot' where a robot has to decide whether to save either a drowning woman or her baby from a car in a river -- the robot's logic saves the baby.

The thing is can we know what is best in the finality of existence? If I am suffering -- if any creature is suffering -- perhaps that is to the good of the whole? Perhaps it is to my own good, in the finality?

Who knows?
 
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So do I tell my children that I give myself and my whole being to random merciless chance, or into the hands of 'One' higher and wisdom infinitely greater than my own?
 
Beautiful thread, wise people, wise knowledge...my favorite from the main text was:

When humans sin, they hand to non-divine forces a power and authority that those forces were never supposed to have.
 
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