Yahweh kid
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It is.
Who created God?
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OK, just wanted to see where you're coming from.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
As per the Chrstians, yes. Will Jesus not sit on the right hand of Yahweh at the time of judgment?
He will be the witness.
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
Well, in Hinduism, good works alone save you. God is peripheral. Judgment has been deligated to God, Yama.
Atheists and non-Hindus are equally eligible for rewards based on good works.
I don't see what that has to do with my comment that you quoted.
I quoted Hart at some length on this
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Any coherent metaphysics is a monism in some sense, being grounded in some primordial, irreducible, and universal principle, be it 'The One', 'Being' or 'God' or 'Dao' ... my own favoured terms for a long time were 'the absolute' and 'the Infinite' or the Greek 'apeiron' ('boundless').
Hart reflects on the Russian Orthodox Sergei Bulgakov’s (1871-1944) monism, grounded in his Sophiology, a Trinitarian Christology.
"... a specific is that it is not merely possible and coherent, but perhaps necessary, to say that, among the privileged names for this most original of principles, the highest of all is "person," or even "the Person": he, that is, in whom all personhood has its existence and in which all things have their ground as personal – the one divine Person who is all that is, who shall in the end be all in all, and who alone is forever the "I am that I am" within every "I" that there is."
(from Hart's Stanton Lectures, published as The Light of Tabor: Notes Toward a Monistic Christology)
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In Trinitarian terms, everything that is, was, will be – even everything that could be that never was, nor ever will be – exists within the Father’s infinite divine fullness (Gk: apeiron) in the infinite manifestation of the Son (Logos), as perfected in the infinite living reality of Spirit (Sophia).
In that boundless and singular immensity, 'we live and move and are' – what is any psychological self or empirical ego other than a contracted or crystallised participation in that infinite agency?
What is the particular logos of any finite "I" other than the individuation of that universal form, so to speak – or, rather, of that universal act?
It is the always more original, simple, infrangible "I am that I am" at the ground of the self that allows any of us to utter the word "I" – and, by extension, "you" or "we" – with any object of reference more real than the flowing succession of transient, fragmentary phenomenal ego-states that constitute our merely psychological experience and identity.
Any finite person is, as a person, the expression of a particular nature only because every nature is in its essence a particular modality and contraction of that divine "I am" – each and every person is an instance of that immeasurable and fathomless totality.
Non-sequitor.
I was replying to your "Don't you see the discord between the two sentences?"
i.e. we are saved by faith, but our salvation is in danger through bad works.
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Interesting
That reminds me of the concept of sparks and divine contraction in Kabbalah. Is that what you mean?
Tzimtzum and Leadership: The Sacred Art of Contraction | Jewish Center of the Hamptons
Here’s a question that might sound a little crazy: If God is the Creator of the universe—the Architect of stars, planets, oceans, and human beings—why would God ask us to build a home for God?
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
If Jesus does not intervne for you, father will not give you salvation. "The way to God is through me".
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
It is not a "person".
Yeah, you need two things - grace and good works. In Hinduism, good works alone are enough.
So, what is the purpose of the grace and faith that the Spirt gives a person?
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
Grace depends on whether you accept Jesus, Muhammad or Husayn Ali Nuri (in those religions).
I cannot get grace even with good works because I am a Hindu. I will have to go to eternal hell, or my soul will not be raised.
(However, I do not need to worry. I do not have a soul, I do not need grace even from Hindu Gods and Goddesses)
I am already enlightened, have attained nirvana, mukti; won't be born again. I am what is known as "Jeevan-mukta".
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Yahweh kid
I am blessed!
Scary thought, how would you know if you have done enough good deeds to qualify for eternal life is the question...
Yahweh kid
I am blessed!
How do you know you are a Jivan Mukta?
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
I am an atheist Hindu. I do not believe in the existence of God or soul.
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
How do you know that if you are a believer and have done good work, you will go to a heaven or get an eternal-life?Scary thought, how would you know if you have done enough good deeds to qualify for eternal life is the question...
Beliefs without any evidence. Indoctrination, superstition.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
What is scary in this? This is more reasonable. Same law for everyone. Does not require mercy of any God.Scary thought, how would you know if you have done enough good deeds to qualify for eternal life is the question...
Good works entitled for rewards, the highest being in constant companionship of God or even merger with God (depends on beliefs).
As for eternal life, Hindus believe in reincarnation, in the form of any species, 8.4 million times. That is the eternal cycle.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
Analysis. Is there any evidence of a life after death? It is a belief and superstition.
Then why hanker for another birth or an everlasting life? Some one is selling his snake-oil to you.
Or perhaps you are selling your snake-oil to others.
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Yahweh kid
I am blessed!
Is there any evidence that there is no life after death?
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru.
There is no evidence contrary to it. Evidence - Pramana.
Anupalabhdhi pramana suggests that knowing a negative, such as "there is no jug in this room" is a form of valid knowledge. If something can be observed or inferred or proven as non-existent or impossible, then one knows more than what one did without such means. In the two schools of Hinduism that consider Anupalabhdhi as epistemically valuable, a valid conclusion is either sadrupa (positive) or asadrupa (negative) relation - both correct and valuable. Like other pramana, Indian scholars refined Anupalabhdi to four types: non-perception of the cause, non-perception of the effect, non-perception of object, and non-perception of contradiction. Only two schools of Hinduism accepted and developed the concept "non-perception" as a pramana. The schools that endorsed Anupalabhdi affirmed that it as valid and useful when the other five pramanas fail in one's pursuit of knowledge and truth. Anupalabhdi means non-perception, negative/cognitive proof.