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Something that applies to me! Here I’m posting on this forum and people are starving, suffering, lonely, cold, ill and at war. I know that know one, unless sent by God can help all these people but since we all have some of God inside of us, I and maybe other people should stop wasting time trying to figure out wisdom and researching religion when we should be activists in helping the suffering people of this world. Now that’s what religion is all about!

And I admit it! I'm selfish, cynical and hypocritical but I'm a person that does not cause harm to people (as much as I can) but we should go beyond that, we should be activists and give up our time, ours minds, our wisdom our bodies and our money to help others!

Now that is the hardest thing for me, going beyond not doing harm and creating happiness, now that is something divine and expect to pay the price for it because when you take away the pain off someone, it goes onto you. Now that is why Jesus Christ is my influential role model.

 
Yah I agree with what you say. We still have to find balance in life for these things. Maybe helping out one person at a time and remembering that some people dont want any help.
We cant change the world but we can make difference and that is what Jesus did at Calvary.
Jesus is my number one influence too:)
We are blessed to be posting here.
 
Dear PM

I totally agree which is why I try to spend some time on forums to energise people to innovate change, so that they too can walk their talk. Even a lot of people that like to call themselves spiritual Light Workers could be doing a lot more. Time for us to become Christ's Charioteers and lead the ascent by example. You know Jesus concentrated mainly on helping the individual and so it is we shall follow him. The internet is a wonderful tool for connecting with those that need help and it is also good to come to places like CR too because everyone deserves some time out from saving the world and just be among like-minded friends who understand and give their love.

We all have different roles to play, all pieces of the jigsaw puzzle of the divine plan. Some are carers, healers, catalysts, givers, it matters not what we give of ourselves as long as we give with all our hearts in GOD's name.

You and I have some special work to do this year and I am looking forward to the collaboration.

All is well.....you are on track and a lot more he will reveal to you.

Did you know that one of the important things to him is this new era of relationship, relationships between partners, relationships with each other, children and the world at large. Have you ever considered that the way that you bring people together makes our Lord so happy? His greatest wish is for everyone to live in joy and happy on the earth plane and I promise you, that you are playing an important part in his plan of creating the Kingdom of Love. Never underestimate the power of Christ working through you, so allow not your human self to doubt......he is well pleased with our progress and he loves this forum and the unity that it brings between people, it is a ripple effect helping more people then you could ever imagine possible.

The Light and Love beams out from this forum in GOD's name no matter what a persons beliefs, it is a treasure chest full of shining gems allowing those that are attracted to the light to take benefit from its beauty.

Onwards and upwards

Love beyond measure

Sacredstar
 
Sacred Union with the Divine

The Courtship begins

The divine relationship with the beloved self

Then the engagement

Divine relationship with all that IS

The lover and the beloved

The perfect marriage of heaven and earth within

The Love Union

The divine family UNITY

In ONE heart, one planet, one people.
 
What an honest and brave post, Postmaster!

I was with you all the way, until you introduced the term 'divine' towards the end.

I personally have no objection to that term as you use it, because it reflects how you conceive of it. As you said at the outset: "Something that applies to me..."

But while all that you say has a truly humanistic, personal and factual context, that word 'divine' jars, because there is some implication in it, that the 'divine' is universal in its application. The fact is, it simply represents how you conceive of it, and it hasn't anything to do with accepting Jesus of Nazareth as a role model. You could just as well have the Buddha as a role model with no implicit divinity... if you see what I mean.
 
Dear Blue

Why does the word 'Divine' jar with you? How does it make you feel? What is your resistance to it?

What resists persists!

Love beyond measure

Sacredstar
 
the words divine and deity dont really set right with me either. I think because of the context in which it is used too often, it gets thrown around like dice or trying to prove something EXTRA by using the word.

You can say, "I saw that revelation" "The pie was awesome" "God is a wonderful savior" and get the point across. But when you say "I saw the divine revelation" "God is a divine savior"... it is like proving something about something that does not need proof (at least to me)
I can say GOD and get the same understanding without adding the divinity and deity to all of it. (THE DIVINE GOD)- that just does not even sound right to me. But if someone says God is divine. (period), then it seems ok.

In its proper definition I like it but when people use it or over use it, it seems to have this implication. I rarely use either word. It just does not 'fit' every time it is used and maybe is used too often. especially in context, when it does not need to be there.
I have learned to ignore the word. LOL

Just my opinion.
 
Dear Bandit

The word is just simply divine....interesting different views, interpretations and how they are used and what they conjure up in peoples minds and hearts.

Pondering.....

To me Jesus and other great avatars were human and divine but GOD is GOD but one can have a divine relationship with GOD. Divine intervention is another term that I have been given to use in the past.

Is it not more about man not being able to accept they they are divine? Like people that have a problem with the word Master it is usually because they have not accepted the master within themselves.

Blessings in abundance

Sacredstar
 
I am just seeing that particular word (s) divine/deity is used in implying things that dont need it.

For example-The Book of Revelations. speaks for itself and is already understood that it is divine.

The divine Book of divine Revelations is so divine. That is what some people might say.

People do the same thing who believe in the trinity. They add the divine trinity or Holy trinity, to try and prove something that is already understood.

So you could say God intervenes or divine intervention, I would choose the first over the latter.

Is it not more about man not being able to accept they they are divine? Like people that have a problem with the word Master it is usually because they have not accepted the master within themselves.
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Maybe for some they cannot accept God is divine, but I do and already know God is divine without using the word.
Jesus is my Master and Master of my heart. That sets fine with me and I am glad He is master of my life.

But the divine Master...divine does not have to be used there for me to understand Jesus is divine.
It is like saying the sky is blue. OR one can say The sky is BLUE BLUE BLUE.:D
 
Dear Bandit

Yes i understood this from your previous post. So do you accept the divinity of who you are and the master that you are? Or is all outside of yourself?

If all is outside of yourself then in my domain this is separation and not oneness with GOD.

Blessings in abundance

Sacredstar
 
Exactly my point!!! Now we are all arguing about the word divine and its meaning and that people shouldn't use the word for certain things... But would it be better, if we all took a trip into the town centre and gave a blanket and some money to the people in the Streets? How hypocritical of me to point this out.

 
Yes i understood this from your previous post. So do you accept the divinity of who you are and the master that you are? Or is all outside of yourself?

If all is outside of yourself then in my domain this is separation and not oneness with GOD.
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Hey SacredStar, I thought you were asking me a question on it. Sorry 'bout that. Yes I do see two (2), the divinity of who I am and the master of who I am. Then I see the divinity of God and Jesus and that Jesus is master, My master. It is not all outside of myself, But myself without God or Jesus, makes me myself and I, nothing, zippo, non existant from the very start.
I do not set myself up as a god. I am a man with a spirit.
I see the oneness of God and man like you are saying.
Hope that makes sense:)
Is that what you mean?

Postmaster,
Please dont feel I am, or we are arguing. In all truthfulness I have felt this is only as a discussion. In all honesty Comparative Religion is like one of the very few boards I know that actually has a positive healthy influence on people who talk about these things.
I see a lot of good people who come here and stay and want to learn about the WHYS and WHATS and everyone is allowed to do that here without feeling judged because it is not a one sided board.

I have given money and food to poor, donated my time for wanting nothing in return. Paid tithes to the church. Go out of my way quite often for others for problems that I have nothing to do with. I am in the middle of something right now to help a certain individual that is going to take over a month to resolve and I have nothing to gain or want for doing it. I have bought homeless people meals and coffee, stopped to give others a ride and found it an opportunity to drive the elderly to places they need to go because they are shut ins. Done my best to preserve the earth, animals and the domain we have.
But I cannot change the whole world and make everyone a new person even if I had billions of dollars to do that. No one can do it no matter how heavy the burden is.
I have never once denied that Jesus exactly what the Bible says He is to anyone and it seems that would be enough if people would recieve it.

I dont really care who uses the word divine or deity because I already know what it means and learn to disreguard it. It was really just something that came up in passing and what we ended up with here is 3 if not 4 different views on how the word is used.
If it appears we are fighting over the word divine, I dont think that is what happened.
Forgive me and anyone else:cool:
 
Good idea faithfulservant big smiles and yes I agree bandit with what you have said.

Love beyond measure

Sacredstar
 
Blame me - indeed!

All I said was:

"I personally have no objection to that term as you use it, because it reflects how you conceive of it. As you said at the outset: "Something that applies to me..."

But while all that you say has a truly humanistic, personal and factual context, that word 'divine' jars, because there is some implication in it, that the 'divine' is universal in its application. The fact is, it simply represents how you conceive of it, and it hasn't anything to do with accepting Jesus of Nazareth as a role model. You could just as well have the Buddha as a role model with no implicit divinity... if you see what I mean."

So allow me to try and make matters more clear.

The word 'divine' that seems to be causing all the bother is used to indicate a personally conceived quality to some entity, object or state.
There is nothing wrong with so doing, is there? Many people do this.

We can AFFIRM any quality we like to a concept like a Christian God, or even a collection and collation of ancient texts all saying different things, which we can call a 'library' or Bible.

BUT, saying that something IS divine in itself, rather than in the view of an individual who just asserts it, demands in turn that it be subject to investigations in the material domain. I would say that is a waste of time.
Trying to prove - or disprove - a personal and affective assertion by someone is doomed to failure, especially if it has any element of faith in it.
Faith DOES not demand or necessitate proofs in the external domain of the material, rational and objective. It it had such 'proofs' it would nullify the term 'faith'. We would be dealing with objective facts.

It is patently obvious that personal affective assertions that a book or a person is divine have no universal significance, however many people may assert the same thing.

If you like, it is my opinion, that 'Divinity' is a quality that is perceived in the eyes of the beholder, on the basis of no external evidence at all, just personal and affective affirmation, validation, assertion; and simply 'asserting' something does not make it so just because it has been asserted.
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I believe Faith and Divinity are intrinsicly meaningful concepts that transcend our "regular" preconceived knowledge of things such as the universe.

eternity exists Outside of time....its a state that does not exist within our preconceived concepts of the structure of time.

Faith is of a different mindset than scientific things and in fact, the famous physicist Niels Bohr has said "The map is not the territory" which many people interested in supernatural things use this quote....The map will NEVER be the territory, never..... but possibly religion and faith are the closest tools we have to grasping this territory.....so i disagree with referring to science as something objectively meaningful just because it happens to be a paradigm that is accepted and used by people in a consistent manner...what if we changed the number 2,,to the number 5, but kept the value the same? Would it mess everything up or just be a different way of looking at the world? Or romeo says "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet" when pining over the fact that juliet isnt someone he can be with because of her last name. do u c the point i am making?

SCIENCE is and will always be a map Everchanging...science is something that has to fit our constructs of the world so it is useful for some purpose...science is not intrinsic but it is a method to achieve a goal, it is made Within our constructs of reality to be effective in changing measuring our physical nad other environment, it is useful for This world....religion and spirituality is useful for other worlds.

Anyhow, you could also argue we are in a holodeck or everything that we perceive science etc has no Intrinsic validity this is far easier imo to believe in than science is objectively valid and religious faith etc is instrinsically shaky

There are so many things, little things big things we do not see but that are still there.....


I see the argument is between those who disapprove of the terms of divine things as being universal because everyone has different interpretaions of what is divine? Well, like an english essay, wouldnt you automatically assume that the person is writing about the novel from their perspective? I don't understand why it is upsetting to people really, I love it when people assert their faith is the one true faith it is beautiful, inspiring!
 
Dear Blue

Well Buddha is one of my other teachers and yes I think that all the great spiritual teachers and avatars are simply divine, so are you and I.

Love beyond measure


Sacredstar
 
Sacredstar,
You may well expect me to reply in the only way I can.

Poetically, I may be as divine as you perhaps.

Having said that, I hardly think I am anything other than an individual human being with a self-regarding faculty.

That is my 'divinity'... an individual and unique human being, as you are, though it is not a word I would really desire to use.

We humans are so proud and vain though, especially collectively. We lack true humility.

The facts seem to say to me that we have an extreme need for humility... we are greedy and grasping, as human beings, an individuated specie... we think we are some kind of peak of evolution, when we may very well be a 'backwater'.
The fact is we have distinctively existed for such a short period of geological time compared with the age of fishes, the age of the reptiles, and even the age of the mammals, that if we were to all disappear, die out tomorrow, we would scarcely leave a note in geological and astronomical time frames. We exist on a third rate (astronomically) speck of dust in an of-shoot of a minor galaxy, and then think we are actually something rather special in the scheme of things.

When we have the audacity to speak of 'God' or 'Gods' we actually (demonstrably) many of us dare to often utter that we KNOW what a God's plan is and what he or she or it says! That applies - in fact - to most organised monotheistic religions as well as individually validated personal conceptions of a deity.

As you see, to me such views are laughable, overly proud and presumptious, but that does not stop me respecting individual conceptions of the spiritual, the many 'Gods', be they Islamic, Hindu, or Pagan, etc.

If there is a God, I would guess the entity is laughing, because that is the saving grace of all humanity, but then - that is only a jocular guess! :) If not laughing... it probably doesn't actually care at all for us as an individuated specie.

So, far from being 'divine', I think I am rather inconsequential in the scheme of things, to say the least, especially as by now I have passed on my genetic nature to seven grandchildren and fulfilled my prime function biologically.

I would guess the entity, if it exists, quite enjoys the constant pull between balance and chaos... what other higher cause for its own existence could there be?
;)
 
Postmaster said:
since we all have some of God inside of us, I and maybe other people should stop wasting time trying to figure out wisdom and researching religion when we should be activists in helping the suffering people of this world. Now that’s what religion is all about!
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I'm with you Postmaster. But I think that if the great wrongs of the world could be fixed by a single person it would have been done many times over. We can each do a small part, working (in Christian terms) as the body of Christ, or if you like as a part of the great movement that we call God. If we try too hard the work becomes ours not God's and fails ignominiously. If we don't try hard enough we betray what we most believe in. We should be realistic about what we can do - it is often a lot more than we at first think.
 
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