Ezekiel's Atomic Wheels (and Four Living Forces)

[Base12]

Even if the translation is incorrect?

Yes.

 

[Cino]

By using this method, I have discovered some of the most incredible and profound teachings the Bible has to offer.

Over the years, I built up my own tables of correspondence, by connecting recurring dream symbols and words or phrases which struck me as interesting or significant. I find it very worthwhile, but also highly subjective and individual. I appreciate you sharing your findings, it is nice to see that others are using similar methods and finding them useful.

Do your discoveries have any impact on your day to day life, in terms of having changed or improved your mind or outlook in some way?

 

[Ella S.]

If you're interested in the maths, check out the "binomial distribution", which you can use to calculate the propability of outcomes of "Bernoulli experiments" such as flipping coins, or finding words in random letter sequences (though a text is not random). By choosing a cut-off propability ("confidence level"), you can answer questions like "is this coincidence?".

Not telling you how to do your process, but found your coin-tossing example interesting.

I just saw @Ella S. already responded. I should really read to the bottom of threads before jumping in..

Actually, I think mentioning Bernoulli trials is a decent addition. They're definitely a bit more rigorous than the heuristic I gave, although they operate on similar general principles.

Gematria is calculated from the untranslated Hebrew text, at the level of letters, which is different from what you're doing. But matching computed values and matching phrases - in each case you're answering a yes/no question of "does this match?", so both are boolean?

I think OP is actually asking "How closely does this match? How big of a coincidence would it have to be to match this well?" which is the domain of fuzzy logic and statistics, not a Boolean value.

Although, that said, you have made me contemplate how I evaluate my own claims and express them. Whether I am certain or uncertain, whether I know or don't know, whether a belief is confirmed/verified or not, etc. are all Boolean and they are factors that I reference.

In a sense, I wonder if I've actually handicapped myself, essentially lowering my standards of evidence for truth from requiring a truth value of 1 to "rounded to 1 based on a reasonable degree of precision." I can't think of a better way to go about having natural conversations about inductive conclusions, though.

 

[Base12]

I'm sorry to jump in, but I heard we were discussing probability.

I absolutely loved your post.

I wish I had the time to do the calculations on some of the conclusions I have come to.

I would imagine it would have something to do with the number of words in the Bible, compared to a single word being associated to a certain concept.

Like what are the odds that the word 'Eye' would be associated with what Science would describe as Electrons. In other words, Light, Amber (Electron), Rings, Orbitals, Power, Spirit, etc.

I mentioned in another thread that my big issue with Trinitarianism is that it has no computational definition, so to me that seems to imply that it should be more-or-less rejected as incoherent.

Ha. Looks like we may a debate brewing here. I believe that the Trinity, or Godhead, is Biblical.

Although the word 'Trinity' is not in the KJV, I find it synonymous with the word 'Godhead'. To me they are the same and I use them interchangeably.

Anyhow, I may as well introduce more 'BLASPHEMY!' to the thread... lol.

We can start here...

Romans 1:20
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"

The above verse teaches us that 'things that are made' are made of something the KJV calls the Godhead.

Without making an encyclopedia long post, I will just summarize.

What the KJV calls the Godhead, is the same word we use for Atom.

• Neutron = Father
• Proton = Word
• Holy Ghost = Electron

What is interesting about Romans 1:20 is that the verse is teaching us that we live in a type of Simulation. The 'invisible things' is the Word of God that acts as a type of Software Code that manifests as the Godhead.

 

[Base12]

If you're interested in the maths, check out the "binomial distribution", which you can use to calculate the propability of outcomes of "Bernoulli experiments" such as flipping coins, or finding words in random letter sequences (though a text is not random). By choosing a cut-off propability ("confidence level"), you can answer questions like "is this coincidence?".

Thanks Cino. This is good info.

I am not sure if Boolean is the correct term. The point is that some folks think they can just 'cheat' and not study the Bible for years to find Wisdom. All they need to do is run a few words through a simple algorithm and have 'instant knowledge' of anything and everything.

If they torture the numbers long enough, they will confess to anything.

 

[Ella S.]

Ha. Looks like we may a debate brewing here. I believe that the Trinity, or Godhead, is Biblical.

Although the word 'Trinity' is not in the KJV, I find it synonymous with the word 'Godhead'. To me they are the same and I use them interchangeably.

Anyhow, I may as well introduce more 'BLASPHEMY!' to the thread... lol.

We can start here...

Romans 1:20
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"

The above verse teaches us that 'things that are made' are made of something the KJV calls the Godhead.

Without making an encyclopedia long post, I will just summarize.

What the KJV calls the Godhead, is the same word we use for Atom.

• Neutron = Father
• Proton = Word
• Holy Ghost = Electron

What is interesting about Romans 1:20 is that the verse is teaching us that we live in a type of Simulation. The 'invisible things' is the Word of God that acts as a type of Software Code that manifests as the Godhead.

Oh, I have no issue with the Holy Trinity. I just have an issue with the doctrine of Trinitarianism, specifically, which states that:

1. The Son is wholly God
2. The Holy Spirit is wholly God
3. The Father is wholly God
4. The Son is not the Father
5. The Holy Spirit is not the Son
6. The Father is not the Holy Spirit

There are other approaches to the Holy Trinity that are considered "heretical" but they're all computable, briefly defined here:

https://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/sdg/Trinitarian Heresies.html

It sounds like you might be talking about Modalism with your software code analogy.

 

[Base12]

Do your discoveries have any impact on your day to day life, in terms of having changed or improved your mind or outlook in some way?

Most definitely. Like you said, it is subjective and individual.

 

[Base12]

It sounds like you might be talking about Modalism with your software code analogy.

Hmmm. Not sure.

I will add more detail.

If I were to define who God ultimately is, it would be this...

John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

To put it another way, God is Information (the Software Code). Said information exists outside of our Universe. It is the 'Invisible Things of Him'. It is the 'Invisible God' that so many mock.

At the same time, this Information is also an infinite Energy Field...

Hebrews 12:29
"For our God is a consuming fire."

This is what powers our Universe BTW. Something did not come from nothing... our Universe came from that Energy Field. Perhaps it is the Unified Field that all the Eggheads are looking for.

Anyhow, this Energy Field manifests into the Godhead (Atom). The Wave turns into Particle...

Hebrews 11:3
"Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."

The above verse is more proof we live in a type of Simulation. Just like the movie The Matrix, every particle in the Universe has the Word of God running in the background manifesting it like a Video Game.

Everything is made of something that 'does not appear'. We can not see the Word of God, because it is part of the Wave Function.

 

[Ella S.]

Hmmm. Not sure.

I will add more detail.

If I were to define who God ultimately is, it would be this...

John 1:1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

To put it another way, God is Information (the Software Code). Said information exists outside of our Universe. It is the 'Invisible Things of Him'. It is the 'Invisible God' that so many mock.

At the same time, this Information is also an infinite Energy Field...

Hebrews 12:29
"For our God is a consuming fire."

This is what powers our Universe BTW. Something did not come from nothing... our Universe came from that Energy Field. Perhaps it is the Unified Field that all the Eggheads are looking for.

Anyhow, this Energy Field manifests into the Godhead (Atom). The Wave turns into Particle...

Hebrews 11:3
"Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."

The above verse is more proof we live in a type of Simulation. Just like the movie The Matrix, every particle in the Universe has the Word of God running in the background manifesting it like a Video Game.

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Everything is made of something that 'does not appear'. We can not see the Word of God, because it is part of the Wave Function.

Oh, I see. So, atoms are ultimately a part of God, but no atom is the totality of God.

That's Partialism, then.

 

[Base12]

I'm not sure about this one. I suspect there might be a bit of apophenia at play here. You have layers and layers of interpretation between this verse and the supposed coincidence.

I think you should try to make as few conclusions as you can and then test them before piling more conclusions on top of them. I think more needs to be done to definitively link the gemstones to that table and the wheels to atoms. All of the important, spectacular coincidences of this passage and the others you shared only exist because of the particular interpretations you already assume.

I would start with one claim, preferably arrived at through probability, and then test that single claim first before involving other claims.

What I post here is just a drop in the bucket. I made a video covering all of this in more detail. I would post it but I read somewhere that 'self promotion' is frowned upon.

 

[Base12]

Oh, I see. So, atoms are ultimately a part of God, but no atom is the totality of God.

That's Partialism, then.

I had no idea there was a box for me to be placed in... lol.

Oh well, if I fits, I sits.

 

[Base12]

Even if the translation is incorrect?

May I ask you a question regarding translations?

I would like to use the very first verse of the Bible for reference.

Here is the KJV...

Genesis 1:1 (KJV)
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

Here is the NIV...

Genesis 1:1 (NIV)
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."

Note that the only difference is Heaven being singular vs. plural.

Which would you say is the correct interpretation of the word Heaven?

Singular or plural?

 

[Base12]

Image for reference...

Seems kinda obvious to me.

Remember, Eyes = Electrons.

What would Seven Eyes be?

Zechariah 3:9
"For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day."

Can anyone reverse engineer the Chemical Element being referred to in the above verse?

 

[Base12]

I have another favor to ask.

Would someone knowledgeable in Quarks and Leptons please use the chart below to tell me what Gemstones Protons and Neutrons are made of?

Are Protons made of Topaz? Are they made of the Carbuncle?

Who is smart enough to tell me the correct answer?

 

[Ella S.]

Can anyone reverse engineer the Chemical Element being referred to in the above verse?

Nitrogen, but I also have to point out that atoms don't look like that.

Are Protons made of Topaz? Are they made of the Carbuncle?

Who is smart enough to tell me the correct answer?

Taken literally, two sardius and one emerald, right?

Nuclear science is not my field of study.

 

[Cino]

Taken literally, two sardius and one emerald, right?

That would be the corresponding parts, yes.

However, quarks are little changelings. In the process of "beta decay", a neutron can become proton by emitting an electron and an antineutrino (or a proton can emit a positron and a neutrino to become a neutron). But the electron and antineutrino were not present in the neutron prior to the event. So it's better not to visualize the quarks and leptons as little changeless gemstones, at least in physics.

 

[Base12]

Nitrogen, but I also have to point out that atoms don't look like that.

Bingo! Thank you so much for answering the challenge.

See that? You are able to decipher the Code.

Yes, I believe God showed Ezekiel the typical 'diagram' of an Atom to ensure that it would be easily recognized by any Chemist, etc...

I will go over the Electron 'Cloud' aspects in a later post.

BTW, even though the number of Electrons can vary in an Atom, I believe that the Bible keeps things simple in that it treats the Neutron, Proton and Electrons as equal. We see this in the Number of the Beast...

Revelation 13:18
"Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

6 Neutrons
6 Protons
6 Electrons

'666' would be the Carbon Atom.

Anyhow, now that you deciphered what the Seven Eyes are, we have a better idea what the Stone is...

Zechariah 3:9
"For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day."

I believe the 'Stone' is in reference to Jesus...

Matthew 21:42
"Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?"

Here we see the connection...

Revelation 5:6
"And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth."

Jesus is the Stone with Seven Eyes. Note that the Seven Eyes are the Seven Spirits of God. The Spirit was in the Wheels, remember? Holy Ghost = Electrons and Electromagnetism.

So what is the engraving? I believe it is referring to Nitrogenous Bases... as in the letters that make up DNA.

Jesus is the Word. The Slain Lamb. The Slain Lamb represents Blood. Blood represents DNA. The Blood/DNA of Jesus 'removes the iniquity'. Jesus is the 'Word made flesh'. The Words of DNA form life.

Zechariah 3:9 is literally talking about Genetic Engineering. A new engraving, or Genome, is to be written in Mankind's very DNA to remove corruption and eliminate death and suffering.

Taken literally, two sardius and one emerald, right?

So, according to your calculations, the Father (Neutron) and the Word (Proton) should be made of the Sardius (Up Quark) and Emerald (Down Quark).

We'll just see about that!

Revelation 4:3 (New King James Version)
"And He who sat there was like a jasper and a sardius stone in appearance; and there was a rainbow around the throne, in appearance like an emerald."

What!?!?! That's impossible! Or is it?

The Throne of God (Nucleus) is made of the Sardius and Emerald. The Up and Down Quarks.

Bravo!!!

In addition, we have a Jasper, which corresponds to the Tau Particle. Looks like the Tau is important in some way.

BTW, the Rainbow is the Electromagnetic Spectrum consisting of all colors of Light.

Way to go @Ella S.

 

[Base12]

In the process of "beta decay", a neutron can become proton by emitting an electron and an antineutrino...

Beta Decay is John 3:16...

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

The Neutron gave its only begotten Proton.

 

[Cino]

Beta Decay is John 3:16...

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

The Neutron gave its only begotten Proton.

I can see that you are really into these contemplations connecting high energy physics with Bible passages.

Again, I'm wondering how you bridge the gap, so to speak, between everyday life and these spiritual insights.This is something I've been working on for years - I "get" some profound insight, be it spiritual or mathematical or philosophical or whatever - and what now? What does it mean, in terms of my everyday concerns? How do I translate it into action? How, in terms of the Ox Herding Pictures of Zen, do I conduct myself in the market place?

That's the mystic in me speaking. If you're not into that, it's fine. Just wondering whether you were also facing this challenge.

 

[Base12]

I can see that you are really into these contemplations connecting high energy physics with Bible passages.

Again, I'm wondering how you bridge the gap, so to speak, between everyday life and these spiritual insights.This is something I've been working on for years - I "get" some profound insight, be it spiritual or mathematical or whatever - but what now? What does it mean, in terms of my everyday concerns? How do I translate it into action?

You and @Ella S. are already learning the Primers.

One must learn the Primers first before deciphering the rest of the Blueprint.

Buried within the Message is the Key to decoding it...

What will it build?

Carl Sagan (who wrote the book 'Contact') seems to think it builds a MerKaBa 'machine'.

I believe it is Biological in nature.

Maybe it is a trap. Maybe it is a Trojan Horse to Genetically Engineer the Antichrist.

Your guess is as good as mine @Cino .

I will say this though...

I believe that God was trying to teach the Israelites how to correct the Genetics of all life on Planet Earth. Unfortunately, they did not have the wherewithal to understand. How could they? Even now we are trying our best to figure it out. It is not easy!

I believe Ezekiel's Temple was supposed to be a high-tech/spiritual Genetic Engineering laboratory. The Israelites were going to work in conjunction with God somehow to make sure it was done properly. The goal was to eliminate death, remove sin, etc.

It did not pan out, so Plan-B (New Testament/Blood of Jesus) was enacted.

The bottom line is that there may be enough info encoded in the Bible to complete the task. In fact, some have found Codons in the Old Testament.

I am against Genetic Engineering, so I will just sit on the sidelines and see what happens.