Electric Vehicles!

[badger]

Ha, I spent a good chunk of my working days as a tire salesman. Every now and then somebody would come in wanting Gumbo Mudders. I always asked them if they had a good loud radio!

Chunky tyre update.....
They are brilliant!
Surprisingly they are not noisy around town at low 30mph- speeds, we haven't tried them out on the local dual carriageway yet.
There's one benefit that neither of us thought of...... we live on a private estate with really tatty roads and a very rough byway that we can use to get to the main road, which is another reason for choosing these tyres. But we never realised that these tyres have such deep treads that they just bend around crags and bits of rock, almost like rubber jelly, and this cuts out an amazing amount of jerks, bangs and bumps........ truly amazing.

All good.

 

[Namaste Jesus]

Chunky tyre update.....
They are brilliant!
Surprisingly they are not noisy around town at low 30mph- speeds, we haven't tried them out on the local dual carriageway yet.
There's one benefit that neither of us thought of...... we live on a private estate with really tatty roads and a very rough byway that we can use to get to the main road, which is another reason for choosing these tyres. But we never realised that these tyres have such deep treads that they just bend around crags and bits of rock, almost like rubber jelly, and this cuts out an amazing amount of jerks, bangs and bumps........ truly amazing.

All good.

That's actually what tires (tyres) of that type are designed for. Low speed stepping over rocks, crags and bogs. Downside, besides cost, they're much softer than conventional tires. That's what allows them to conform to irregular surfaces, but also causes them to wear more quickly. Especially here where the roads are mostly paved and smooth. On the open road, mudders really scream and vibrate like hell! They simply cannot be balanced to accommodate high speed use.

Sounds like you may have a hybrid design though, more an all terrain type tread than all out mudder. Those are much easier to live with in the day to day and more commonly found on street vehicles.

 

[badger]

That's actually what tires (tyres) of that type are designed for. Low speed stepping over rocks, crags and bogs. Downside, besides cost, they're much softer than conventional tires. That's what allows them to conform to irregular surfaces, but also causes them to wear more quickly. Especially here where the roads are mostly paved and smooth. On the open road, mudders really scream and vibrate like hell! They simply cannot be balanced to accommodate high speed use.

Sounds like you may have a hybrid design though, more an all terrain type tread than all out mudder. Those are much easier to live with in the day to day and more commonly found on street vehicles.

I post up a pic tomorrow.

 

[Bozwell]

Not yet, but I'm seriously considering one of these, if and when it becomes available this side of the pond.

It looks very good and has good reviews.
Very appealing for an Ex Grey Nomad!, but still some charging limitations in OZ.
I had a VW T5 LWB Transporter Fitted out as a Trakkadu Campervan/Motorhome for 11 years.

Mrs Boz too frail for the Grey Nomad life now, sold it and got an EV (Nissan Leaf).
Liked the leaf so much, I got the E+ model after a couple of years.
Just love it, recently did an 800 Km round trip for less than AUD $20 in electricity.

 

[RJM]

It looks very good and has good reviews.
Very appealing for an Ex Grey Nomad!, but still some charging limitations in OZ.
I had a VW T5 LWB Transporter Fitted out as a Trakkadu Campervan/Motorhome for 11 years.

Mrs Boz too frail for the Grey Nomad life now, sold it and got an EV (Nissan Leaf).
Liked the leaf so much, I got the E+ model after a couple of years.
Just love it, recently did an 800 Km round trip for less than AUD $20 in electricity.

@Bozwell
Apologies your post was delayed. It won't happen again
Regards

 

[Namaste Jesus]

It looks very good and has good reviews.
Very appealing for an Ex Grey Nomad!, but still some charging limitations in OZ.
I had a VW T5 LWB Transporter Fitted out as a Trakkadu Campervan/Motorhome for 11 years.

Mrs Boz too frail for the Grey Nomad life now, sold it and got an EV (Nissan Leaf).
Liked the leaf so much, I got the E+ model after a couple of years.
Just love it, recently did an 800 Km round trip for less than AUD $20 in electricity.

Nice. I was seriously considering a secondhand Leaf, but went off the idea when prices more than doubled this past year. Guess my old petrol burner will have to suffice for a while longer.

 

[badger]

Nice. I was seriously considering a secondhand Leaf, but went off the idea when prices more than doubled this past year. Guess my old petrol burner will have to suffice for a while longer.

The times they are are changin'...... technology wise. Wifey wants to hang on to her Jimny until it blows up and gets buried; then it will be time to look at E-cars..... battery technology will most likely double and redouble over the next few years. So will prices of course.

Vehicle road-taxes here are rising fast for IC 4x4s and we reckon that charges will jump more sharply over the next few years, but Wifey declares that she doesn't care because that's her joy, and since we don't bask on the sands of Lanzarotte for the hols or any other expensive pleasures, then we'll just pay.

Ev problems are emerging fast and will need EV solutions.

 

[Namaste Jesus]

I'm an old hot rodder. My interest in EV's has more to do with potential power output than anything else. Instant torque and all that. Thing of it is, with the amount of driving I do, an EV wouldn't save me all that much and would actually cost me a lot more to insure and register. So with initial costs increasing, not to mention electricity rate hikes, my interest is rapidly fading.

 

[badger]

I'm an old hot rodder. My interest in EV's has more to do with potential power output than anything else. Instant torque and all that. Thing of it is, with the amount of driving I do, an EV wouldn't save me all that much and would actually cost me a lot more to insure and register. So with initial costs increasing, not to mention electricity rate hikes, my interest is rapidly fading.

Yes..... E motors sure do have punch. My little artisan is classed as a moped but at traffic lights it can pull away alongside a fairly large motorcycle. Because speed limits of 20, 30 and 40mph exist within the two towns and one city where I live this little machine is just brilliant, but I won't be going beyond these limits.

EV registration is more expensive for you? Over here EV road tax (registration) is free, and lithium fires don't seem to have frightened insurers just yet. My artisan insurance, (third party, fire and theft) is £75 pa.

 

[Namaste Jesus]

EV registration is more expensive for you? Over here EV road tax (registration) is free, and lithium fires don't seem to have frightened insurers just yet. My artisan insurance, (third party, fire and theft) is £75 pa.

Not so far in my state, but some states here are starting to tack on a registration surcharge to make up for lost gasoline tax revenue. At present, EV's can cost an additional 20% or more here to insure with higher deductibles. Some insurers are even increasing homeowner policy rates when an EV is stored in an attached garage or simply excluding EV related fires from their coverage. There's a lot of hidden costs associated with owning an EV here. On the other hand, something like your Artisan scoot would not require registration or insurance here, just a valid driver's license.

 

[badger]

Not so far in my state, but some states here are starting to tack on a registration surcharge to make up for lost gasoline tax revenue. At present, EV's can cost an additional 20% or more here to insure with higher deductibles. Some insurers are even increasing homeowner policy rates when an EV is stored in an attached garage or simply excluding EV related fires from their coverage. There's a lot of hidden costs associated with owning an EV here. On the other hand, something like your Artisan scoot would not require registration or insurance here, just a valid driver's license.

I'm surprised about the above.
The UK (Europe possibly) is really trying to help EVs with no road taxation, etc.
I have not heard about insurance worries about lithium batteries ....... yet!
No registration or insurance for mopeds? Anything with a motor that can exceed 15mph has to be registered, road taxed and insured here, with vehicle road testing (MOT) every year after the first three years from new. I do have to 'road tax' my artisan each year but the fee to pay is 'zero', same as for any EV. The Licensing authority just wants to know that it 'does know' every registered vehicle.

EV insurance and taxation is definitely going to evolve with time, when there are enough EVs on our roads then the gov will introduce road tax payments, for sure.

 

[Thomas]

I was wondering about how govts are going to replace petrol revenues when the EV market really takers off ...

 

[Thomas]

I'm an old hot rodder.

Oh, you want one of these –

 

[Namaste Jesus]

No registration or insurance for mopeds?

It varies state to state, but in mine anything under 50cc's or the EV equivalent does not require registration, insurance or inspection, just a driver's license to operate. Some states require yearly safety inspections at the owner's expense, but mine only requires it of used vehicles when the title changes hands. So it's basically a one time thing good until you sell the car. Still have to renew your registration every two years and gasoline and diesel vehicles also need to be emissions tested in my state, but cars like mine that can be registered as historic, (20 years or older) are exempt from both safety inspection and emissions testing and only require liability insurance. Technically, you're not supposed to drive historic vehicles on a daily basis, but.....

 

[badger]

I was wondering about how govts are going to replace petrol revenues when the EV market really takers off ...

Sure...... Ours offered wonderful perks to encourage domestic solar generating, and once there were many installed it withdrew many of those benefits.

It will have to do the same with EVs I think.

 

[badger]

It varies state to state, but in mine anything under 50cc's or the EV equivalent does not require registration, insurance or inspection, just a driver's license to operate. Some states require yearly safety inspections at the owner's expense, but mine only requires it of used vehicles when the title changes hands. So it's basically a one time thing good until you sell the car. Still have to renew your registration every two years and gasoline and diesel vehicles also need to be emissions tested in my state, but cars like mine that can be registered as historic, (20 years or older) are exempt from both safety inspection and emissions testing and only require liability insurance. Technically, you're not supposed to drive historic vehicles on a daily basis, but.....

Classic cars over twenty five years age were free from road tax until about 1980ish, but then our gov froze the registration year that classics after a certain date have to keep paying.

 

[wil]

Most cars on the road today are over 25 years old...lol

Electric vehicles and batteries like anything new are going to have growing pains and have to evolve, but we either have to start eminent domaining for more rail lines or do something because individual forms of travel using petrol has been proven unsustainable.

 

[badger]

Most cars on the road today are over 25 years old...lol

Electric vehicles and batteries like anything new are going to have growing pains and have to evolve, but we either have to start eminent domaining for more rail lines or do something because individual forms of travel using petrol has been proven unsustainable.

How about better coach and bus services?
Maybe distance travel will reduce, and as far as local travel is concerned, so many neighbours have their shopping delivered etc.
Private vehicles just might become too expensive for many folks....?

 

[Namaste Jesus]

Oh, you want one of these –

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More like this car I built in the No Limit Drag Racing game I've been playing. Ported and polished Chevy big block, twin turbo charger with nitrous! 199 wins and only 3 losses so far!