Christian Answers to Muslim Questions

RJM said:
The Trinity
Thanks @MattSTL
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In the video, it's stated that Christianity would fall apart if the belief that Jesus is God were removed.

This got me thinking - are there atheist Christians? I assume your views would exclude such a possibility, @MattSTL, but what I mean is, are there people who identify as Christians, going to Church and celebrating Easter and Christmas and other festivals (not just in the commercial way, but also in church or with private religious rituals), but who do not believe in the existence of God? And I don't mean those who visit the services to be seen, but who find the community and the example of Jesus and the rituals meaningful and important in a personal way, but who would answer "no" when asked whether they believe in God.

Has anyone met such a person?
 
RJM said:
I'll answer for you: Trinitarian Christians are polytheists?

Why? Because that is what your messenger says, therefore it must be true, therefore no point in talking about it, or even listening to anyone who disagrees ...
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Aupmanyav said:
"Say, O Bahaollah, Bahai eyes and Bahai ears are needed." :)
Well, I am not a Bahai.
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We all get to see it how we choose to.

Baha'u'llah has indeed offered us a new way to look at these topics. We have been asked to look at them in the Light that we are One people on One planet.

The Bible does indeed Mention that there is One God. That there is a Holy Spirit and that Jesus was and Annointed of that Spirit, as that is what 'Christ' means.

How we choose to see those teachings is not information the Bible gives. As such, there was confusion as to the Station of Jesus as one who was Annointed and the rest is history.

Regards Tony
 
Sure, I'm sure that's a thing, but yes, I would reject the title Christian as applicable, because if Christian means those who follow Christ, then one would have to follow where he leads, not pick and choose which parts of him to affirm. Now that said, I just opened a whole can of worms I'm aware, because what Christian IS fully following Jesus exactly where he leads. I've yet to meet THAT person.
 
Tone Bristow-Stagg said:
Baha'u'llah has indeed offered us a new way to look at these topics. We have been asked to look at them in the Light that we are One people on One planet.
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I don't see how this waves away Trinitarian belief?
 
MattSTL said:
Sure, I'm sure that's a thing, but yes, I would reject the title Christian as applicable, because if Christian means those who follow Christ, then one would have to follow where he leads, not pick and choose which parts of him to affirm. Now that said, I just opened a whole can of worms I'm aware, because what Christian IS fully following Jesus exactly where he leads. I've yet to meet THAT person.
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Well, I'm not on a fault-finding mission to prove anyone a hypocrite for not being a perfect example of their faith.

But you raise a point: what does it even mean to follow Jesus where he leads? Does following him mean affirming the Creed? Does it mean going on retreat for 40 days in some deserted place, facing down one's personal demons, and having some kind of personal epiphany? Does it mean to form bands of wandering preachers? Does it mean to piss off religious authorities? Does it mean to become a miracle healer? Does it mean to have one's followers declare one Messiah and kick the Romans out of Judea? I'm just enumerating some things that come to my mind from my reading the Gospels (and yes, sometimes I get snarky, but I really do pose my questions with earnest intentions).
 
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wil said:
That comes off a tad arrogant.

"You are not ready for this"

Instead of.saying you are too stupid to understand ... your eyes and ears are insufficient
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Yes it does. But that is what it is. My mother was a born again trinitarian, there is no other way she would look at it it as the fear of hell did not allow free thought or a new vision.

I have also been answering this same question for over 14 years on forums and that is what it boils down to.

Baha'u'llah offered a new way to look at the topic and a new way to hear about God's interaction with humanity. If we choose not to look and hear what Baha'u'llah offered, then we will not see or hear it that way.

I always seem arrogant, as most likely I am.

Regards Tony
 
That's a great question. On a forum on Facebook, a Muslim just asked me a couple days ago..."For you Christians, what does it mean that Jesus died for your sins? Is it enough to believe that Jesus died for you and you're good to go to heaven? Or there are other things? If there are, then what's the point of Jesus dying then." My YouTube partner and I agreed we are going to tackle this question next, and I think "what does it mean to follow Jesus where he leads" sort of fits within it. I think it is an honest question that deserves more than a quick forum reply...at least, that's not MY forte. So I'm going to see if we can incorporate it as I think it's related. I'll let you know when we knock it out. :)

Obviously others can and should answer here as they see fit. :)

Also sorry I keep forgetting to quote the original post. I'll get it figured out eventually.
 
RJM said:
I don't see how this waves away Trinitarian belief?
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It is meant to show we can see it in another way. That a doctrine does not make Jesus Christ an exclusive Messenger, above all other Messengers that are given of God.

Regards Tony
 
MattSTL said:
Also sorry I keep forgetting to quote the original post. I'll get it figured out eventually.
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Just mark the passage you want to quote (with your mouse), and then click the word "Reply" which pops up like a little tool-tip.
 
Tone Bristow-Stagg said:
It is meant to show we can see it in another way. That a doctrine does not make Jesus Christ an exclusive Messenger, above all other Messengers that are given of God.

Regards Tony
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Yes. There are zillions of takes on Jesus. What makes yours the only right one? Shall I answer for you? It is because the human being whom you choose to believe is the latest voice of God says that’s how it is? Others think you have it wrong Ok?
 
Cino said:
Just mark the passage you want to quote (with your mouse), and then click the word "Reply" which pops up like a little tool-tip.
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@MattSTL
Highlight the part you want to reply to
 
RJM said:
Yes. There are zillions of takes on Jesus. What makes yours the only right one? Shall I answer for you? It is because the human being whom you choose to believe is the latest voice of God says that’s how it is? Others think you have it wrong Ok?
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I personally do not have a take, I have embraced what Baha'u'llah offered.

Therein is the difference. Do I look at what men offer about Jesus the Christ, or do I embrace what God offered.

It comes back to our choice to evaluate the claims of a Messenger from God.

Sorry times run out, off to work.

Regards Tony
 
Tone Bristow-Stagg said:
I personally do not have a take, I have embraced what Baha'u'llah offered.

Therein is the difference. Do I look at what men offer about Jesus the Christ, or do I embrace what God offered.

It comes back to our choice to evaluate the claims of a Messenger from God.

Sorry times run out, off to work.

Regards Tony
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Yes. But the fact you believe something about God, does not mean you have the only correct belief
 
IMO
It’s extremely lazy to let another dictate/decide your beliefs for you
 
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Cino said:
Aren't all formal belief systems like that, though?
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Tone Bristow-Stagg said:
The Messengers are the source of all Faith in God.

Regards Tony
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I think religion is the interface. It’s the shell. It’s the finger pointing at the moon. It’s the lazy human desire for uniform regimentation. It means I don’t have to think for myself. Not too much, anyway. Thinking isn’t easy, it’s hard.
 
RJM said:
Yes. But the fact you believe something about God, does not mean you have the only correct belief
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That is the Message of Baha’u’llah, that all the Messengers are One, they all are from the same one source of truth, God.

So that same truth is found in all the Faiths.

That is why we are asked to see with new eyes and hear with new ears. The false prophets are the ones that come in sheep's clothing. So for Christians, they should consider it will be a wolf in Christian clothing that will impart the deception.

If a Dove cones along, we need to listen what the dove has to say.

Regards Tony
 
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