A Question Regarding Unity

[Aupmanyav]

For me, carving my own path by my own Will does not exclude what one of my spiritual teachers calls "servitude," "thralldom," and even "slavery" to a spiritual teacher (not him ), in some translations of his words.

You mean in some translations of his words, it is servitude, thralldom and even slavery?

 

[RJM]

servitude," "thralldom," and even "slavery" to a spiritual teacher

You mean in some translations of his words, it is servitude, thralldom and even slavery?

I think many gurus require this of their followers?

 

[Aupmanyav]

I think many gurus require this of their followers?

I would prefer a guru who throws a challenge.

 

[RJM]

I would prefer a guru who throws a challenge.

Can you expand?

 

[RJM]

There is something like a contract or a covenant involved -- like that between Yahweh and Israel: "You will be my people and I will be your God" and give you prosperity and safety and success over your enemies?

Of course the alternative is disaster. It's the carrot and the stick.

What does the covenant with Baha'u'llah offer me in return for my sworn fealty to him, as the only true messenger of God? Is it that unless I do enter into the contract, I make myself responsible for the continuation of war, injustice and starvation -- and conversely that by accepting him as my infallible teacher and master I receive the blessing of being a good person?

Beyond world unity, what is the benefit for my own soul of being a good person? Or should I forgo thought of personal benefit, and focus entirely and unselfishly upon the good of others? Do I get any benefits from being a good person?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Can you expand?

Like, "Aupmanyav, your concept of Brahman does not explain where from it arose."

Aupmanyav: "Guruji, pay attention to Nasadiya Sukta. It said existence and non-existence are related. Even Hawkins, Krauss accept 'Ex-nihilo'."

 

[RJM]

Aupmanyav: "Guruji, pay attention to Nasadiya Sukta. It said existence and non-existence are related. Even Hawkins, Kross accept 'Ex-nihilo'."

Depending upon the definition of 'nothing' lol ...

 

[Aupmanyav]

What does the covenant with Baha'u'llah offer me in return for my sworn fealty to him, as the only true messenger of God? Is it that unless I do enter into the contract, I make myself responsible for the continuation of war, injustice and starvation -- and conversely that by accepting him as my infallible teacher and master I receive the blessing of being a good person?

You get to live eternally after your demise in the world which would have turned into a paradise in due time with a heavenly body.

 

[RJM]

You get to live eternally after your demise in the world which would have turned into a paradise in due time.

Thank you. This is close to what Jehovah's Witnesses believe?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Depending upon the definition of 'nothing' lol ...

Nothing is absence of all things, energy, space, time, and fundamental forces. Only Brahman has the clock or perhaps it too does not have it. It happens randomly. Sometimes the interregnum last for 10 minutes, some time the universe lasts for 311.04 trillion years.

"yo asyādhyakṣaḥ parame vyoman so aṅga veda yadi vā naveda ll"
(That controller of this world in highest heaven, he verily knows it, or perhaps he knows not.)
https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rigveda/rv10129.htm

 

[RJM]

Nothing is absence of all things, energy, space, time, and fundamental forces.

But 'nothing' cannot be defined by the absence of 'something' because then it is an empty void; emptiness is still 'something'?

 

[Aupmanyav]

But 'nothing' cannot be defined by the absence of 'something' because then it is an empty void; emptiness is still 'something'?

I included space. If space also is missing, then there is no question of emptiness. Emptiness requires some volume which will hold things.
But we would not know that in our life-times nor our descendants for a few generations. Answer to this question is going to need time.This, after all, the biggest mystery of the world. Some future Einstein, Planck or Bohr will solve it.

 

[RJM]

I included space. If space also is missing, then there is no question of emptiness. Emptiness requires some volume which will hold things.
But we would not know that in our life-times nor our descendants for a few generations. Answer to this question is going to need time.

There is an Upanishad that, to paraphrase, says something like: Brahma breathes out and all things come to be, then Brahma breathes in and things cease to be -- infinitely.

I have forgotten the name of that Upanishad ...

 

[Aupmanyav]

After I got my answers, I lost interest in further reading.

 

[RJM]

You get to live eternally after your demise in the world which would have turned into a paradise in due time with a heavenly body.

There is first the Lesser Peace and later the Greater Peace? How does it work?

 

[Ahanu]

I suppose Satan.

Satan is a person?

 

[Aupmanyav]

There is first the Lesser Peace and later the Greater Peace? How does it work?

If I would have understood Bahaollah's olde English, I could have told you.

Satan is a person?

Yeah. Satan is an angel, and angels cohabited with human females to engender Nephelim. Therefore angels are people an Satan is a person.

 

['Amir Alzzalam]

Thank you for that explanation. It answers some questions for me about your views. I like all of that, except possibly for some ways that "carve your own path by your own Will instead of servitude" might be understood. I would need to see what that means in practice. For me, carving my own path by my own Will does not exclude what one of my spiritual teachers calls "servitude," "thralldom," and even "slavery" to a spiritual teacher (not him ), in some translations of his words.

I could have worded that better . . . I'm not referring to someone who guides you on your Path or those who have set up organizations to bring like-minded together where they collectively do The Great Work. I meant, 'servitude' to someone else's paradigm, particularly a deity-based belief system.

 

[Longfellow]

I could have worded that better . . . I'm not referring to someone who guides you on your Path or those who have set up organizations to bring like-minded together where they collectively do The Great Work. I meant, 'servitude' to someone else's paradigm, particularly a deity-based belief system.

Okay, that clears that up. Thank you.

 

['Amir Alzzalam]

Who is the founder of Satanism?

Depends on your definition of Satanism. There are schools of non-theistic Satanism, theistic Satanism, and what I call Pseudo-Satanism. I would also point out that Satanism is part of the Western Left Hand Path. You can be on the WLHP and not be a Satanist, but if you are a Satanist you are on the WLHP.

I hope that made sense . . .