Yin and Yang theory..

Here's the thing Postmaster. Taoists don't believe in an afterlife. The yin yang demonstrates this universe, not an afterlife. After a taoist dies, they normally believe they will become one with Tao. But you must understand that your christian ideas will not fit in here. Because as you believe god is all good, a taoist believes that Tao is in perfect balance. So perfect in fact that neither side of the yin or yang is noticeable. So while you believe this life is only negative, I seriously disagree. I believe it has negative aspects, but it also has positive aspects as well. But a taoist walks a middle road, no extremes, and therefore is in balance with the Tao during life. The problem is, you think that the opposites are fighting against each other, this is not so. Which is the reason for the 2 dots inside each half. They meld together, much like how one person can be good, but also evil. One cannot be totally good. It is impossible. That is a christian goal, a taoists goal is to be in balance with both sides. Not an extreme. You don't believe hot and cold are opposites? Light and dark, male and female, high and low? Do you not go outside? I agree that you should either coin new terms for your beliefs, and leave the taoism to taoists.
 
Black is a shade of white, and hot is a scale of temperature which cold is part of... If they really are opposites why does Fire cause harm, and why does water too. Maybe one of these elements has more yang in them but they are all part of the domination of Yin.



This actually might be a unique idea from me... I could be wrong, I could be right. My knowledge is limited but I live my life with these principles in mind.. The universe and the spirtual world both live in perfect harmony.
 
Postmaster said:
Black is a shade of white, and hot is a scale of temperature which cold is part of... If they really are opposites why does Fire cause harm, and why does water too. Maybe one of these elements has more yang in them but they are all part of the domination of Yin.
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fire also provides warmth from the cold and cooks food. water is the sustaining force of all sentient life.

things are not all good or all bad from their own side. in the traditional Taoist schools of Alchemy, things are only given the lables "good" or "bad" due to the perception of the viewer. "good" and "bad" are not objective aspects of the universe, they are subjective and personal.

i suppose, that i should ask. are you interested in the traditional understandings of these terms and ideas?
 
Actually, I'am interested :) I try my best not be ignorant.. If you could show me some information about the original idea of Yin and Yang, I would be thankful.

What I'm trying to say takes more then looking at elements to decided if there is a balance within the universe.. It takes more then thinking and viewing to see that there is an imbalance, but there might actaully be both, it might all depend on the persons perspective, some people might give more..

Both water and fire create more harm them good. Especially fire. Humans are made of water and humans are also a destructive force as nature itself.

Using up the resources of earth, wars and meat eating... You can't see it with your mind or eyes because they are part of the illusion too ;)
 
A fire can be put out by water but a fire can never harm the beautiful waterfall created by GOD.
 
I did some research on the way I have been thinking recently about a world dominated by a dark force and it turns out that it’s not unique. In fact there was an old form of Christianity that the Romans Catholics destroyed due to heresy because of there thoughts they were called the Cathars.

http://gnosistraditions.faithweb.com/mont.html

Also this is very simliar view to Zoroastriaism also a religion that was destroyed.

Can anyone see a connection? Light being destroyed in a darkly dominated universe, maybe? Jesus was put on the cross because his divinity was attacked as soon as he entered the dark dominated place.
 
I understand you points Postmaster. And I think they are quite interesting, but please don't use taoist terminology. You may think this world is more evil than good, but not everyone does. I actually believe it fluctuates, and changes in different places. Actually, taoists don't even view each side of the yin yang as better or worse than the other. And neither should be described as "good or evil." That is more of a judeo christian idea. I just wish you would use different terms.
 
I dont understand why everyone is so upset with PM's attempts to think outside the box.. Does it hurt anyone that hes trying to understand yin and yang? Or maybe trying to apply it to his own beliefs? People do it with Christianity all the time.I dont think theres any harm in it.. if its bothersome that he uses terms you dont have to read his thread. Right?
 
I can understand what Master Vigil is trying to say. But is this because you see what I say as a threat in anyway? If so I apologise.
 
No threat, I like what your trying to say. I just think people will understand you better if you keep it within your tradition. If you start bringing in ancient chinese concepts which are hundreds of years older than christianity, people may not listen to you. I think if you use different terms, your point will go across easier.
 
yes very true the concept of duality is ancient and should be respected in the form it is presented to many people. However, I'm twisting the concept because what I'm saying is fundamentally as the chinese viewed the dual forces. I should have called one force God and the other Devil but with the Chinese view of the Yin and Yang.
 
You don't need to use the chinese view, the terms god and devil already propose a dualistic idea. But to use ancient taoist terms to talk about god and the devil just doesn't work. Especially since they don't believe in either, so your intent is lost within choice of terms that have no use for your theory. Or in other words, if your idea is shuffled into chinese terms, the chinese terms lose all of their chinese meaning. I wonder though, the dualistic nature (from a chinese standpoint) is the creation of tao. That would also mean if you believe your god to be one of the sides, it must have been created (by using the chinese meaning.) I'm sure you don't believe that, its just another example of how your theory gets lost in the terms. I'm just trying to help your theory out. I think it will be much more valid if used within different terms. Does that make sense?
 
thanks for the advice, very much appreciated, this is going to sound a bit mood swingish, but I've changed my mind now..

Reading religious texts and I'm starting to want to scrap this idea.. God (Good) this the dominating force of the universe. And evil the smaller and less powerful force is what causes all the nasty problems in our world. And according to Zoroastrianism, it’s all in our minds... Good and evil is just a state of mind and our consciousness drifts into these timeless states after death. So interesting. I'm afraid I will never know the truth and why we have life and why we are here. But I suppose putting my faith into something is better then nothing. Also I know that for whatever I do, I will try my best to preach what I was given (Christianity) and always drift towards, order, giving and good. As for this theory, its just an other for the scrap books :) Master Vigil and Vajradhara I appreciate your posts, thank you.
 
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