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Why would God create people who don’t and won’t follow him?

Have you ever seen any other types of liquids used for baptism? For example, soda.

Do you believe that before each of us were born, God already decided our life and the path we’re gonna take? What about people who lost literally everything? What kind of life does God have for them?
 
What about people who lost literally everything? What kind of life does God have for them?
Perhaps it's not all about a happy life in this world? Perhaps its about the soul. God sees the soul. Perhaps this world is a testing ground of some sort, where our souls acquire what they need to progress, beyond time and space and death, into new dimensions?
Why would God create people who don’t and won’t follow him?

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Do you believe that before each of us were born, God already decided our life and the path we’re gonna take?
I believe that angels cannot interfere with human beings, without the invitation of those humans. Angels can watch and weep and advise, but they are powerless to interfere with my life without my invitation and permission. Perhaps that's what prayer is?
Have you ever seen any other types of liquids used for baptism? For example, soda.
Water symbolizes Spirit. Water rises, leaving behind any earthly impurities, and falls again as sweet, pure rain. The water itself remains untouched by earthly impurities.

Just my own thoughts ...
 
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Why would God create people who don’t and won’t follow him?
The million dollar question.
..perhaps it has something to do with the nature of our soul and responsibility.

Do you believe that before each of us were born, God already decided our life and the path we’re gonna take?
No. I believe in fate, but not one in which G-d determines all, and hence no free-will.
I believe G-d knows what choices we will make, and hence is aware of the future.
 
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Why would God create people who don’t and won’t follow him?
Freedom is the greatest gift one can bestow.

Have you ever seen any other types of liquids used for baptism? For example, soda.
No. It's a symbolic thing, as @RJM said above.

Do you believe that before each of us were born, God already decided our life and the path we’re gonna take? What about people who lost literally everything? What kind of life does God have for them?
Yes, and no.

Do I believe God is a micro-manager? No.

It's not that God determines what I will do, but rather the nature of my being allows for a range of possibilities, all of which are known within the context of the Possible.
 
Why would God create people who don’t and won’t follow him?
I actually wonder the opposite why would the all-knowing all powerful need such ego stroking
Have you ever seen any other types of liquids used for baptism? For example, soda.
not I, and why would you?
Do you believe that before each of us were born, God already decided our life and the path we’re gonna take?
nope
What about people who lost literally everything? What kind of life does God have for them?
Everyone is born with nothing, many lose everything...we fall we get back up!
 
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The OP, who by the way on his website mentions that he has been banned from every forum he has been a member of, has apparently, in response to a post by @RJM , voluntarily left the forum.
 
@wil

The OP, who by the way on his website mentions that he has been banned from every forum he has been a member of, has apparently, in response to a post by @RJM , voluntarily left the forum.
It's not this OP poster though?
 
Why would God create people who don’t and won’t follow him?

Being one of those people, I'll say that I don't think I was created. This may not resolve your conundrum, but it may add a perspective.

Have you ever seen any other types of liquids used for baptism? For example, soda.

Not in the Christian baptisms I was invited to. In other contexts, yes, if you wanted to call them "Baptisms".

Do you believe that before each of us were born, God already decided our life and the path we’re gonna take? What about people who lost literally everything? What kind of life does God have for them?

No, I don't believe that.

But I think the Book of Job is a great take on your question. I especially appreciate the slightly defensive speech delivered by God toward the end, paraphrasing, "you just have no idea how tricky it is to create and run a universe, can't you be happy it works at all, quit complaining about highly specific issues!" (This is my own interpretation of the text, there are many others, and I intend no disrespect nor do I think those other interpretations are invalid)

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Why would God create people who don’t and won’t follow him

Have you ever seen any other types of liquids used for baptism? For example, soda.

Do you believe that before each of us were born, God already decided our life and the path we’re gonna take? What about people who lost literally everything? What kind of life does God have for them?
Freedom of choice. He wants a people that want Him.

No

As God is outside of time He foreknew those that would choose Him. We are never promised an easy life.. it's the trials that build our character He promises to be there with us and be the perfect strength to our weakness. Life is like school we are here to learn and grow .. eternity is what to look forward to.
 
Why would God create people who don’t and won’t follow him?

Have you ever seen any other types of liquids used for baptism? For example, soda.

Do you believe that before each of us were born, God already decided our life and the path we’re gonna take? What about people who lost literally everything? What kind of life does God have for them?

It is not that they wont follow him. It is just that some dont follow him like Satan. Regarding why God could create such beings, it is because God gave each being free will so that some people could TEMPORARILY choose to not follow him and some others could also TEMPORARILY choose to follow him. But as people become more mature everyone will start following God permanently because God is the most intelligent and therefore the best person to manage the universe.

Baptism is not about liquids like soda or water or consecrated water. All these are symbols of divine grace. What is a symbol ? It is something that represents something else more sacred which is intangible. You cannot have a tangible form for divine grace, so water or soda can be used to represent in physical and visible form that which is not visible but nevertheless very potent and powerful and sacred.

Think of a visible object like a greeting card for your beloved. It is a symbol of your love for her. Since love is intangible and physically invisible, you connect some nice object like a greeting card or a birthday cake to your love to make her feel nice and loved.
 
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Why would God create people who don’t and won’t follow him?

Have you ever seen any other types of liquids used for baptism? For example, soda.

Do you believe that before each of us were born, God already decided our life and the path we’re gonna take? What about people who lost literally everything? What kind of life does God have for them?
I've never directly observed other liquids being used for baptism. I haven't actually seen that many baptisms.
However I have read or heard about examples of people using non water liquids for communion in some kind of situation where there was no water. And I believe of "emergency" baptisms being performed this way as well?

What kinds of situations would those be? Wilderness? Battlefield? Foreign prison?
An emergency baptism would be, I assume, combining baptism with last rites for a dying person.
 
Why would God create people who don’t and won’t follow him?
You could ask every parent and grandparent that same question. We hear about the good and evil that happens, why do we bring more children into this world? The most a parent can do, is to love care and nurture their children. By the time the child is fifty, they have probably chosen their own path in life.
 
Why would God create people who don’t and won’t follow him?

Have you ever seen any other types of liquids used for baptism? For example, soda.

Do you believe that before each of us were born, God already decided our life and the path we’re gonna take? What about people who lost literally everything? What kind of life does God have for them?
As a Christian that believes in reincarnation, I believe that much of our fate is predetermined.

The amount of 'predestination' we face is a direct result of the sins of our previous lives. Judgment Day is when our crimes are tallied up and punishments doled out... i.e., 'we reap what we sowed'. It is similar to Karma.

The whole point of Jesus coming to Earth is to save us from this constant reincarnation cycle.

Personally, I have had many disadvantages in my life compared to others. I blame this on my past life. It is the only thing that makes sense to me as to why life is more 'fair' for some than others. Note that my beliefs are in line with what the Bible teaches.
 
As a Christian that believes in reincarnation, I believe that much of our fate is predetermined.

The amount of 'predestination' we face is a direct result of the sins of our previous lives. Judgment Day is when our crimes are tallied up and punishments doled out... i.e., 'we reap what we sowed'. It is similar to Karma.

The whole point of Jesus coming to Earth is to save us from this constant reincarnation cycle.

Personally, I have had many disadvantages in my life compared to others. I blame this on my past life. It is the only thing that makes sense to me as to why life is more 'fair' for some than others. Note that my beliefs are in line with what the Bible teaches.
This is very interesting from a doctrinal stance.
Traditional Christian theology doesn't consider reincarnation (though it considered in Judaism - Kabbalah teachings)
Do you belong to a particular denomination or were you influenced by the writings of any particular theologian?
 
This is very interesting from a doctrinal stance.
Traditional Christian theology doesn't consider reincarnation (though it considered in Judaism - Kabbalah teachings)
Do you belong to a particular denomination or were you influenced by the writings of any particular theologian?
I used to be Catholic, but not anymore. I am non-denominational.

When I started reading the Bible many decades ago, I immediately noticed themes of reincarnation interwoven throughout. I would always shrug them off because I was 'told' that reincarnation was not Biblical. One day I had enough and began looking for videos, sermons, websites, etc., that would show why reincarnation was not Biblical. What I discovered was that there was not a single verse in the Bible that debunked reincarnation.

What the Church does is falsely interpret verses to make it sound like the Second Death is 'infinite torments'. Universalists are good at pointing them out and exposing the lies, however they do not believe in reincarnation. They are closest to what I believe, however.

Hebrews 9:27 is the one most often used to try and debunk reincarnation...

"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment"

They will say, "See? People only die one time".

Of course, this is a lie since the Book of Revelation clearly teaches of a Second Death. Then there are those who died more than once, or never died at all. Then there is the Rapture where those that are alive go to Heaven without dying. There are so many contradictions to the 'die once' dogma.

All Hebrews 9:27 teaches is that once someone dies, they must face judgment. In other words, every death is judged.

I know Origen believed in reincarnation, but he was 'shadow banned' and censored by the social media 'councils' of his time. Same ol same ol.
 
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