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I love your imaginationRevelation 11 tells the story of Islam, in verse 3 the Two Witnesses are Muhammad and Ali, who shall give prophecy for 1260 years.
I love your imaginationRevelation 11 tells the story of Islam, in verse 3 the Two Witnesses are Muhammad and Ali, who shall give prophecy for 1260 years.
Say someone is in a bad abusive relationship and I try to help the person out of it, yet they don’t want out of the relationship because they feel like no one else will every love them. Should I sit back and see them abused or try to help them see what they can not see at this point.
It is written.I love your imagination![]()
Ok this is a good discussion!In the Muslim countries, I would offer the Baha'i are persecuted to a greater extent than Jews and Christians.
Why they are so disliked, is because the essence of the Faith of Muhammad has been forgotten and long neglected.
The Bible foretells this, that Islam would last 1260 years and be as a dead body laying in the street. This is because Islam did not accept Ali as the rightful successor, appointed verbally by Muhammad. The Shia Dynasties became the Beast.
Revelation 11 tells the story of Islam, in verse 3 the Two Witnesses are Muhammad and Ali, who shall give prophecy for 1260 years.
Verse 8 and 9 tell us of the error made and that Islam became a Faith based in man made Law and not of the Spirit of the Teachings of Muhammad.
A lot can be offered, only if one is interested.
Regards Tony
I would offer Revelation is about what is to come, it is prophecy.Ok this is a good discussion!
In the Christian faith the two witnesses are considered to be Moses and Elijah as possibilities for the two witnesses due to the specific miracles that John says the witnesses will perform. The witnesses will have the power to turn water into blood (Revelation 11:6), which duplicates a famous miracle of Moses (Exodus 7). And the witnesses will have the power to destroy their enemies with fire (Revelation 11:5), which corresponds to an event in Elijah’s life (2 Kings 1). Also giving strength to this view is the fact that Moses and Elijah both appeared with Jesus at the transfiguration (Matthew 17:3–4)
Enoch and Elijah are seen as possibilities for the two witnesses because of the unique circumstances surrounding their exit from the world. Enoch and Elijah, as far as we know, are the only two individuals whom God has taken directly to heaven without experiencing death (Genesis 5:23; 2 Kings 2:11). Proponents of this view point to Hebrews 9:27, which says that all men are appointed to die once. The fact that neither Enoch nor Elijah has yet experienced death seems to qualify them for the job of the two witnesses, who will be killed when their job is done. In addition, both Enoch and Elijah were prophets who pronounced God’s judgment (1 Kings 17:1; Jude 1:14–15).
there are a few other possibilities but think these two are the most plausible based on scripture.
in the end it doesn't matter to me personally as I believe in the pre tribulation rapture! What an amazing thing to be a part of though..
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Who are the two witnesses in the book of Revelation? | GotQuestions.org
Who are the two witnesses in the book of Revelation? Are the two witnesses Moses and Elijah or Enoch and Elijah?www.gotquestions.org
Evidently we have been doing the impossible for years... the challenge is always the know it sells who have all the truth, yet are persecuted constantly for trying to tell others they are among the only True believersReligious people of different religions can not dialogue about Religion, so what is the purpose of this site?
No and probably...but more a waste of ours...there are a plethora of you who have come and gone.Do you really think that you are telling me something that I don't already know!
It's foolish for me to waste my time over this.
Rivalry. Sibling rivalry if you like. But there are also disputes over power and land.Would you agree that the Jews and Christians are the most persecuted Religions in the world? Not trying to tie them together in the same sense. Why are these two groups so disliked in the Muslim countries?
Oh, they had something to do with Christianity all right. But they departed greatly from the mainstream even of their denomination.I never meant individual persecution. The Branch Davidians was a cult, nothing to do with Christianity. I don't believe all of any group are what they say they are. If your life doesn't reflect the teaching of the Bible, I don't care what you call yourself, you are not a Christian. Too many people look at Christianity like you do and you don't have the slightest idea what a Christian is. There are really very few Christians, a lot of people who claim to be, but as Jesus said to those who thought that they were Christ followers, "depart from me, I never knew you" Why don't you look for the truth.
Christianity is the largest and most influential religion in the world. Yes, including the Catholic church, and American evangelicals who are politically active and influential.Then you are confused. Maybe you are just looking at the cult of Catholics. They certainly are not Christian since they are caving in to all the liberal crud going on, gay marriage, and such. Even in America, Christians are very persecuted for their moral beliefs. Muslim countries, they are just killed. Please don't tell me that I don't know what I am talking about, I have friends throughout the world. If you believe that they are this powerful, then you certainly don't understand or know what a Christian is. Christians are opposed to all the evil that is going on and yet, they are loosing in all the areas. Open your eyes to the truth. Abortion is certainly not a Christian desire, even getting Roe VS wade overthrown, it only fueled liberals to want more laws supporting abortion. Abortion is the out right murder of babies set up as a woman's right.
I noticed that you didn't say anything about the Jews. The 20th Century clearly defines that mess. Stop thinking that the Vatican is Christianity, it's not. You probably haven't even met a true Christian.
This site has been around a long time. They are very successful at dialogue on religion. I'm fairly new, but I really wish I had discovered this site earlier (I can't believe I didnt! I still look thru old threads at times wondering if I was on here a long time ago, maybe I'll find something I recognize as my own from ages ago, maybe I did join and then forgot when I went to graduate school or something)Religious people of different religions can not dialogue about Religion, so what is the purpose of this site?
However, back to your original question, there are indeed persecutions of Christians and Jews in various locations around the world. I believe I've heard it's getting worse for the Orthodox Churches in some countries like Syria where it had not been so bad in a long time. But like someone else mentioned, other groups are heavily persecuted in various places as well, such as the Bahai in the middle east, there is a group called Falung Gong in China which is heavily persecuted, and if we didn't have laws and customs that support religious freedom, religious persecution would very probably happen everywhere.Would you agree that the Jews and Christians are the most persecuted Religions in the world? Not trying to tie them together in the same sense. Why are these two groups so disliked in the Muslim countries?
I guess I'll take this opportunity to ask: What is your purpose here? Are you trying to change people's minds about something? In a nutsheell: What do you want people to take away from their conversations with you?Maybe I am just too simple. Anywhere you look you will see lies. People just don’t seem to care. Now, can I care about people no matter what they believe, certainly. Do I care about a person more if I see them heading in a wrong direction and try to help them, yes. Say someone is in a bad abusive relationship and I try to help the person out of it, yet they don’t want out of the relationship because they feel like no one else will every love them. Should I sit back and see them abused or try to help them see what they can not see at this point. Which is the right or loving thing to do? What you see in my posts are your interpretions based on what you want to believe about me. I try my best to be clear when I say something and over explain myself too much. My entire journey here has been about deceit, not me trying to deceive but we can all be deceive. I don’t now why this bothers me so much. People lie and deceive people all the time. I guess that according to you I shouldn’t care. Let’s just chat about the weather, wait, even weather people get that wrong too!
Is there a teaching that this happened for Mary too, or is this strictly a Catholic tradition?Enoch and Elijah, as far as we know, are the only two individuals whom God has taken directly to heaven without experiencing death
Quoting myself here, but to clarify... do you not think the discussions are going well? Are any parts of the discussion going well in your view?I guess I'll take this opportunity to ask: What is your purpose here? Are you trying to change people's minds about something? In a nutsheell: What do you want people to take away from their conversations with you?
I had never heard this.Is there a teaching that this happened for Mary too, or is this strictly a Catholic tradition?
you read into my post what was not said.But this forum is not a self-help group for abusive relationships. Such places exist, and they serve an important role, but this is not such a place.
And to say someone else's spirituality or religion is similar to an abusive relationship, can you see how that comes across as very inappropriate?
I can understand why. Those of you that have been here for y e a r s must not have a life. this has become your sad life. Faceless names on a screen. I can understand if someone is lonely and has been hurt, getting into the real world become scary. Yes and I will be gone soon and you can roll over into your comfort zone. No one here was made to answer any of my posts, so why waste you time with someone like me. The world is not a safe place like storage on a hard drive is.No and probably...but more a waste of ours...there are a plethora of you who have come and gone
I find the same non-sense everywhere, I believe Islam has the real estate on this one, believe or d i e.the challenge is always the know it sells who have all the truth, yet are persecuted constantly for trying to tell others they are among the only True believers