Salaam Quahom,
thank you for the post.
Quahom1 said:
What is wrong with homsexuality...aside from the fact that it does nothing to continue the species, nothing is wrong with it. Keep the love life in the bedroom, not in the board room, or the law books.
i completely agree. sexuality should not be legislated.
What is wrong with certain circles of people and homsexuality, is their insistance on proliferating their way of life, by demanding that the rest of the world "Teach children" about it, in an acceptable way.
funny enough... this is the exact same problem i have with Christianity, go figure!
Demanding that we all accept their way of life. Kind of like a Catholic telling the rest of the world they are wrong, and the Church of Rome is going to enforce compliance and acceptance...fat chance. Teach kids that it is normal to be homosexual. Excuse me, less than 10 percent of the population is going to dictate to me and the other 90 percent, how to raise their children? 10 percent of the population is going to determine that the remaining 90 percent are screwed up?
yes... yes... let me put my spin on it though, if i may...
teaching my children that there is some being up in the sky watching them is tantamount to pyschological terror... they are being watched by an invisible being that sees all they do and will judge them for it. if that's your belief, fine and dandy, don't go trying to teach my kids that it's normal or even healthy.
Have your sexual pleasure. Keep it quiet. Don't try to entice children into sex period! Don't give me that crap about you (generalizing here), just want children to know their options. No child should have to be thinking about sex, let alone what sex they want to have.
no child should have to think about hell and their parents burning in agnoy for eternity either.
i'm liking this discussion thus far!
No, I am not going to acknowledge your sexual partner, your lover, your life mate, if you are both the same sex. I will acknowledge your friend, your house mate, your roomate. Why? That way of describing a partner is not in my FACE. Get in my face, and I will get back in yours, with predjudice. Attempt to "teach" my children about alternative sexual life styles, and I will be in your face with "extreme" predjudice.
are you threatening violence to a forum member?
we do not tolerate that sort of thing here, you know.
Don't try to normalize this. It isn't normal. Man/Woman = pleasure, satisfaction, possibly nuturing relationship and can = baby - continuance of the species.
it also equals, amongst others, abused children, sexually assaulted wives and children, alcoholicism, divorced and broken families and all manner of other things.
so... if a hetro couple can't have a child, are they 'worthless' to the species? should they just be exterminated to clean up the gene pool?
Man/Man or Woman/Woman = pleasure, satisfaction, possibly nuturing relationship, but no baby, hence no continuance of the species. But that is ok.
let me introduce you to the wonderful world of in-vitro fertilization. indeed, a homosexual woman can give birth to a child. so.. there goes that argument.
Just do not try to bring it into my family.
is someone asking you to be gay?
You want marital rights? You already have rights to put anyone on your insurance, receive your moneys/pension, should you die, put anyone on your medical/dental benefits, give anyone in the world full power of attorney should you be incopasitated (sp). What more do you need?
how about the ability to decide medical issues for your partner when they can't make those decisions for themselves? how about tax benefits that other married folks get? how about the ability to will their property to their partner after death?
are you aware of the scope of this issue? it would appear, from your statements on this post, that you are not. there are plenty of incidents that have demonstrated that non-legally binding commitment papers (what you call a marriage license) do not grant a person permission to make medical decisions on their partners behalf.
would you want someone that didn't like you or thought you were disgusting, making medical decisions for youi? instead of the person to whom you've placed your trust, love and fidelity?
recognition of your "union"? Why? Because it is right? Says who, you?
read that preamble of the Constitution again and then explain how you can deny the same rights to someone and still believe that you adhere to the values stated therein that proclaim, amongst others, that "All men are created Equal and are endowned with certain inalienable rights."
i guess that really means as long as they are of the correct religion, eh?
equal rights means just that... equal rights. not some folks get some rights and others don't.
Marriage is based on time old traditions that come down from ancient scripture.
last time i checked, no homosexual couples were looking for the Church to recognize their union. so, you can your church can deny them this rite as much as you like, it's your perogotive. however, the government does not have that right. it is, unlike individuals, required to treat every individual the same under the law.
as such, a leagally binding covenant that establishes the same rights and duties that a married man and woman receive is what the state should grant to a homosexual couple that decides to formalize their comittment to each other.
Open gays are a relatively new thing (being accepted). History is rift with the times that society or other, dealt with gays in a less than gentle manner (every time, it was when gays became beligerent and demanding.) Don't take my word for it. Look up the history of the world, and the status or demise of the homosexual community. Today we are enlightened? The Romans thought the same thing 2000 years ago. The Cities of Sodom and Gomorrah thought so 3000 years ago.
so... are you suggesting that we keep in place rules and customes from ancient desert tribesmen? why, on earth, would we do that? i'm pretty pleased that we don't think it's tiny demons inhabiting us that makes us sick, i'm partial to germ theory myself. not a fan of bleeding out my fever either.. perfer the penicillin, don't ya know.
i'll note, not without some irony, that most Christians seem to select just a few of the 613 Moasic Laws to uphold and simply dismiss the rest. it is not lost upon me why this is.
I am an open minded soul. But do not stick your lifestyle in my face and tell me I must accept it...that would be a mistake.
it isn't about you accepting it or not. it has, actually, nothing to do with you. what it is, however, is an issue of rights... of fairness and integrity. if you can somehow explain how equal rights doesn't apply to homosexuals, then i'd be happy to hear it, otherwise, i'll continue to assert that equal means equal, not something less than equal.
however, continuing in the vein of my view regarding state sanctioned and taught religion...
you can practice your religion as much as you'd like, to your heart is content. however, don't go sticking your morality in my face and telling me that i must accept it, just because your religion endorses unethical behavior doesn't mean that i'm going to agree.
wasn't that fun?
we can probably do this with every ideology that we don't like... what's next?
and Jesus did not go to Calvary to make us an outcast to each other. I dont think I have anything else to add.
