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or if it were just a pole . how did they get Jesus down?
I have built pole barns and decks. with pole barns , a need to stand poles . the taller the pole the heavier they get. nail a man to the top end and then stand it up,,,,, much easier in the mind than in reality . how many men did Rome use to stand it up? we are not told ,we don't know how farup he was yet we know the legs had to be down low enough for his legs to be broken . [true his legs were not broken .] my way of standing it ,3-4 men . he dies,scripture says he was taken down and put in a tomb . getting a body down is easier than you may think .
it was stood up, it could be laid back down. with 3-4 men.
 
locust said:
I have built pole barns and decks
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How many?

One of the world's leading authorities on the subject, Professor John Granger Cook of LaGrange College, Georgia, US, estimates that between around 200BC and the virtual abolition of crucifixion in AD337, between 100,000 and 150,000 people were crucified in Roman-controlled territories.

Me thinks they knew how to crucify (get folks up and down) and you know how to build decks and pole barns.

But beyond that...I think you might be trying to make a point, however it is not clear what point that is.
 
wil said:
How many?

One of the world's leading authorities on the subject, Professor John Granger Cook of LaGrange College, Georgia, US, estimates that between around 200BC and the virtual abolition of crucifixion in AD337, between 100,000 and 150,000 people were crucified in Roman-controlled territories.

Me thinks they knew how to crucify (get folks up and down) and you know how to build decks and pole barns.

But beyond that...I think you might be trying to make a point, however it is not clear what point that is.
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do you claim you know how to stand and remove ,BY HAND, 6X6 poles that are maybe 12' long? and that BTW would be an easy one. there is a trick to it , it requires a cross bar 3' up from the bottom . that's right, from the bottom of the pole . its also possible that the cross bar was removable
 
locust said:
do you claim you know how to stand and remove ,BY HAND, 6X6 poles that are maybe 12' long? and that BTW would be an easy one. there is a trick to it , it requires a cross bar 3' up from the bottom . that's right, from the bottom of the pole . its also possible that the cross bar was removable
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Lol...do I need to? They did this tens of.thoudands of times...there is no question it is possible.

Trying to ascertain your conundrum and thought behind the post.
 
the accomplishments of Rome amazes me .the things they built the problems they solved .with so much time behind them its logical they would of figured out the easy way to do things.
lay a pole down then a man onto it , nails will be used to attach him to it .its likely there was a time when rope or leather straps were used .the problem with that is any of the buddy's of the one being hungup could get him down by cutting the straps.
nails prevented that from happening . pulling nails without the proper tools cant be done, nails are forever .
 
the Bible

John 20:25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!” But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”​

26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”

27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”

28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
 
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How is that significant or important to you?
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are we told how many nails were used ?? some think it was two or even three . depends on how long the nails were .nails have been found still embedded in the heel bones of some one that was hung up . the nail was not long enough to go through both feet with one nail . then there's

John 20:25​

So the other disciples were telling him: “We have seen the Lord!” But he said to them: “Unless I see in his hands the print of the nails and stick my finger into the print of the nails and stick my hand into his side, I will never believe it.”

it says nails ,
one nail in each foot, one nail in each hand. total of four nails
 
With so many references to crucifixion in history, this argument about means and methods or what have you just comes across as nit-picking after the fact.

That Jesus was crucified we know. The best we know is He was nailed to the cross, and killed by a spear-jab to the side.

Whether the Romans hoisted a cross with a man nailed to it, as so often represented in art, or whether there was a permanent upright to which the crossbar was fixed, is really neither here nor there.

We just don't know.

I fail to see what point you're trying to make here?
 

Thomas said:
With so many references to crucifixion in history, this argument about means and methods or what have you just comes across as nit-picking after the fact.

That Jesus was crucified we know. The best we know is He was nailed to the cross, and killed by a spear-jab to the side.

Whether the Romans hoisted a cross with a man nailed to it, as so often represented in art, or whether there was a permanent upright to which the crossbar was fixed, is really neither here nor there.

We just don't know.

I fail to see what point you're trying to make here?
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Matthew 27:31-33

Complete Jewish Bible
31 When they had finished ridiculing him, they took off the robe, put his own clothes back on him and led him away to be nailed to the execution-stake.​

32 As they were leaving, they met a man from Cyrene named Shim‘on; and they forced him to carry Yeshua’s execution-stake. 33 When they arrived at a place called Gulgolta (which means “place of a skull”),

we do know something was carried ,we do know it was of wood .Acts 5:30 called it a tree KJV . many Bibles say a cross was carried ,it would of looked like a cross as a persons would of had the crossing wood up against the shoulder . I should think that would be a picture in your minds eye. but as for the cross wood up near the top so that the arms would be stretched outward ,no not likely . not saying no one throughout history has never been hungup like that ,i'm sure its been done may of been left there till the body fell apart from rot . we well know that's not what happen to the body of Jesus .​
 
Thomas said:
With so many references to crucifixion in history, this argument about means and methods or what have you just comes across as nit-picking after the fact.

That Jesus was crucified we know. The best we know is He was nailed to the cross, and killed by a spear-jab to the side.

Whether the Romans hoisted a cross with a man nailed to it, as so often represented in art, or whether there was a permanent upright to which the crossbar was fixed, is really neither here nor there.

We just don't know.

I fail to see what point you're trying to make here?
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'' killed by a spear-jab to the side.''no, that's not what killed him . it sounds as if you have never read the account to learn what happen.
if the person was not dead the legs would be broken to make death come quicker.
 
locust said:
'' killed by a spear-jab to the side.''no, that's not what killed him . it sounds as if you have never read the account to learn what happen.
if the person was not dead the legs would be broken to make death come quicker.
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Er ... don't know what version of the Bible you're reading ... The legs of His crucifixion companions were broken, but not his.
John 19:31-35.
 
Thomas said:
Er ... don't know what version of the Bible you're reading ... The legs of His crucifixion companions were broken, but not his.
John 19:31-35.
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maybe I am typing to fast . maybe you could start with the first posting # 1 hopefully you will see where I said his legs were not broken.
now I am wondering if you know why the Romans would break the legs ?
they did not do it as soon as the person was hungup .they would give it some time ,a few hours ,then if the person was not found dead ,that's when the legs would be broken . to then break the legs they would have to be able to reach the legs ,which means the one hungup could not be up as high as many of the pictures suggest .
 
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let them find out for themselves
 
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