Son of God?

Bandit said:
I just have one question on this. Are some of you saying that every mans sins just automatically bounced off of them onto Jesus right at the crucifixion?

Because I dont see it that way. Somewhere it says if we sin willfully after coming into the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.

So the way i am seeing it is, because of the blood & sacrifice of the Son of God, we now have an eternal high priest and an advocate with the Father. We can go to him through repentance & Godly sorrow & ask forgiveness & He will forgive us our sins.

I also do not understand where some are saying God cannot look at sin. How can he forgive & redeem us unless we confess our sins. How can He judge righteously if He cannot see every work wether sinful or good. I think God sees every sin & every good work all at the same time. God sees everything.

I also do not believe God turned his back on Jesus. The bible does not say that, that I am aware of & I would like to know where this teaching started or is this just an idea that some have about it.?.

I see where God turns his back on the wicked, not his only begotten son.

Now someone start explaining, how, In one breath you are saying God took all the sins of the world upon himself at that very moment, & the next you say God cannot look at sin & turned his back on himself.

I think there is a lot more to it, than closing the casket on this.:)
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Sorry Bandit I only have a few minutes to post but I do plan on coming back to address some of these.

Did Jesus Christ bear the sins of us all?

We find this at the end of Isaiah 53: "My righteous Servant shall justify many, for He shall bear their iniquities. . . . He was numbered with the transgressors, and He bore the sin of many" (verses 11-12). Above that, in verse 6 we read, "and the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all." The Hebrew word for "iniquity" in verses 6 and 11 is the word avon. It refers, not just to sin itself, but also to its consequences. Not only did Jesus bear our transgressions, He bore the penalty for those transgressions, as well. Both sin and the consequences of sin were laid on Him. The result is that we can now be justified, or made right, before God.

There are two Hebrew verbs in this passage that we should note: nasa and sabal. Nasa means to lift up, or bear away. It is used in verse 4, "He has borne [nasa] our sicknesses," and verse 12, "He bore [nasa] the sin of many." Jesus has lifted our sicknesses and sins off of us and has borne them Himself, taking them far away from us.

Sabal means to burden, or to carry. It also is found in verse 4, "He has . . . carried [sabal] our pains," and in verse 11, "He shall bear [sabal] their iniquities." Jesus has burdened Himself with our pains and iniquities.
These are substitutionary acts. Jesus did not simply help us bear our own sicknesses and sins, He bore them completely for us. They were all placed on Him.


1 Peter 2:24 who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness--by whose stripes you were healed.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,


Can God look upon sin?

Habakkuk 1:13 is talking about God when it says, "You are of purer eyes than to behold evil, and cannot look on wickedness..."

"God’s very nature cannot allow Him to behold evil without punishing the guilty ones."

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Romans 8:34 and Hebrews 7:25 both speak of Christ making "intercession" for us before God the Father. He can look upon our sin; and through the atonement of Christ’s blood we are made clean, so we may have a relationship with our Father God.


God cannot look upon sin: this is the outcome of his holiness. His stand against sin is always the same: He abhors it and is moved to wrath against it. "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who hold the truth in unrighteousness" (Romans 1:18).

Here is that verse that you spoke of

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

Btw this only makes sense if you believe that Christ is one part of the trinity. One with God seperate from the Father. The way you believe of course it would not make sense :)

Psalm 32

Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, Whose sin is covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord does not impute iniquity, And in whose spirit there is no deceit.When I kept silent, my bones grew old Through my groaning all the day long. For day and night Your hand was heavy upon me; My vitality was turned into the drought of summer. I acknowledged my sin to You, And my iniquity I have not hidden. I said, "I will confess my transgressions to the Lord," And You forgave the iniquity of my sin. For this cause everyone who is godly shall pray to You In a time when You may be found; Surely in a flood of great waters They shall not come near him.

You are my hiding place; You shall preserve me from trouble; You shall surround me with songs of deliverance. I will instruct you and teach you in the way you should go; I will guide you with My eye. Do not be like the horse or like the mule, Which have no understanding, Which must be harnessed with bit and bridle, Else they will not come near you. Many sorrows shall be to the wicked; But he who trusts in the Lord, mercy shall surround him. Be glad in the Lord and rejoice, you righteous; And shout for joy, all you upright in heart!
 
I think the term, "Son of God," is interesting to ponder in general. We do have Romans 8:14- "For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God."

I love exploring alternative language translations of the Bible-kind of a lectio divina in itself-& enjoyed the book by Dougla-Klotz, "The Hidden Gospel: Decoding the Spiritual Message of the Aramaic Jesus," in which he muses on the Aramaic meanings of Godpel words given that was presumably the language Jesus spoke. In the book he speaks of that phrase and the Aramaic for "children of God" literally translated as "they shall be hollowed out, or become channels for Unity;" reminiscent of Meister Eckhart's quote re "All God asks of you is to move out of yourself and let God be God in you." But the trick to hollowing out is relativizing our egos for as it also says in Romans 8:26- "...for we do not know what prayer to offer nor how to offer it worthily as we ought, but the Spirit Himself goes to meet our supplication and pleads in our behalf with unspeakable yearnings and groanings to deep for utterance."

Have a good one, Earl
 
Faithfulservant said:
Sorry Bandit I only have a few minutes to post but I do plan on coming back to address some of these.

Did Jesus Christ bear the sins of us all?

We find this at the end of Isaiah 53: "My righteous Servant shall justify many, for He shall bear their iniquities. . . . He was numbered with the transgressors, and He bore the sin of many" (verses 11-12). Above that, in verse 6 we read, "and the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all." The Hebrew word for "iniquity" in verses 6 and 11 is the word avon. It refers, not just to sin itself, but also to its consequences. Not only did Jesus bear our transgressions, He bore the penalty for those transgressions, as well. Both sin and the consequences of sin were laid on Him. The result is that we can now be justified, or made right, before God.
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Ok, I actually agree with everything you have said here & the way you put it in your post. I thought you guys were saying that sins were literally imputed & transfered onto God, then turning around & saying God turned his back on himself.

I know Jesus is one with & seperate from the father at the same time.

& I thought you were saying 'God' holds himself accountable for everyones sin as if man, is going to punish God for mans own sins. If he cannot look upon sin then he cannot impute it into himself either.

Cains sin was imputed into himself not applied to Abel. Adams sin was imputed to himself not applied to another...etc...yet there was a curse that was applied to the generations & this is where Jesus comes in.


Going back to the passover. Every door that had blood of the lamb, God passed them over & spared the firstborn male. Every door post w/o the blood of the lamb was taken in death.
So I see those who are covered in the blood of Jesus are forgiven, those who are not covered are not forgiven & this is where I do not believe sin was literally transfered/imputed onto another, because the bible tells us some will never repent of there sins & come to God. So, the cross without repentance is still void to those who do not come to God.

Rather, through the cross, sins are forgiven, remitted & forgotten & not imputed to anyone. Those not covered by the blood will face the second death. Bearing our sins & pardoning our sins yes Jesus did this, but it does not appear to me that sin was literally transfered/imputed into Jesus, like molecules needing somewhere to go, & certainly not onto God.

At the same time, I know he was wounded FOR our trangressions, bruised FOR our iniquity & by his stripes we are healed.

so I guess the only place we dont agree is where "My God My God, why hast though fosaken me."
You really believe God would forsake Jesus?

I still beleive there is more to it than is lying on the surface for why Jesus knew he had to go to Calvary to beg our pardon & make reconciliation.
but that is just me & you dont have to believe the same way I do.:)
 
earl said:
I think the term, "Son of God," is interesting to ponder in general. We do have Romans 8:14- "For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God."

I love exploring alternative language translations of the Bible-kind of a lectio divina in itself-& enjoyed the book by Dougla-Klotz, "The Hidden Gospel: Decoding the Spiritual Message of the Aramaic Jesus," in which he muses on the Aramaic meanings of Godpel words given that was presumably the language Jesus spoke. In the book he speaks of that phrase and the Aramaic for "children of God" literally translated as "they shall be hollowed out, or become channels for Unity;" reminiscent of Meister Eckhart's quote re "All God asks of you is to move out of yourself and let God be God in you." But the trick to hollowing out is relativizing our egos for as it also says in Romans 8:26- "...for we do not know what prayer to offer nor how to offer it worthily as we ought, but the Spirit Himself goes to meet our supplication and pleads in our behalf with unspeakable yearnings and groanings to deep for utterance."

Have a good one, Earl
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yes i see it that way too...we are all sons of God...keep exploring my friend, the bible is where it is at & it is still alive:)
 
Bandit said:
Ok, I actually agree with everything you have said here & the way you put it in your post. I thought you guys were saying that sins were literally imputed & transfered onto God, then turning around & saying God turned his back on himself.

I know Jesus is one with & seperate from the father at the same time.

& I thought you were saying 'God' holds himself accountable for everyones sin as if man, is going to punish God for mans own sins. If he cannot look upon sin then he cannot impute it into himself either.

Cains sin was imputed into himself not applied to Abel. Adams sin was imputed to himself not applied to another...etc...yet there was a curse that was applied to the generations & this is where Jesus comes in.


Going back to the passover. Every door that had blood of the lamb, God passed them over & spared the firstborn male. Every door post w/o the blood of the lamb was taken in death.
So I see those who are covered in the blood of Jesus are forgiven, those who are not covered are not forgiven & this is where I do not believe sin was literally transfered/imputed onto another, because the bible tells us some will never repent of there sins & come to God. So, the cross without repentance is still void to those who do not come to God.

Rather, through the cross, sins are forgiven, remitted & forgotten & not imputed to anyone. Those not covered by the blood will face the second death. Bearing our sins & pardoning our sins yes Jesus did this, but it does not appear to me that sin was literally transfered/imputed into Jesus, like molecules needing somewhere to go, & certainly not onto God.

At the same time, I know he was wounded FOR our trangressions, bruised FOR our iniquity & by his stripes we are healed.

so I guess the only place we dont agree is where "My God My God, why hast though fosaken me."
You really believe God would forsake Jesus?

I still beleive there is more to it than is lying on the surface for why Jesus knew he had to go to Calvary to beg our pardon & make reconciliation.
but that is just me & you dont have to believe the same way I do.:)
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You should consider that Jesus put aside His Godhead while on Earth. Therefore to assume the "Avon" of all mankind (past - present - and future), caused an ugly sight in God's eyes. Also consider that God is the God of all time. And that to date there is an estimate of over 14,000,000,000 humans who have lived or live today, and we haven't considered future generations...

God the Father had to look away from his faithful Servant and "Son" without His Godhead. The Father could not look upon the Human Jesus who in fact became the Lamb of sacrifice for human sins...all of them.

The sinless "Man", took on the sins of men and sacrificed His life as atonement for men in the eyes of God.

That is how I understand it. To me it makes perfect sense, as He told us it would happen. ;)

v/r

Q
 
Quahom1 said:
You should consider that Jesus put aside His Godhead while on Earth. Therefore to assume the "Avon" of all mankind (past - present - and future), caused an ugly sight in God's eyes. Also consider that God is the God of all time. And that to date there is an estimate of over 14,000,000,000 humans who have lived or live today, and we haven't considered future generations...

God the Father had to look away from his faithful Servant and "Son" without His Godhead. The Father could not look upon the Human Jesus who in fact became the Lamb of sacrifice for human sins...all of them.

The sinless "Man", took on the sins of men and sacrificed His life as atonement for men in the eyes of God.

That is how I understand it. To me it makes perfect sense, as He told us it would happen. ;)

v/r

Q
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well, thanks for trying Q:) . i know he is atonement/sacrificie for mans sins & paid the debt in full, but sin is not money that is 'moved' from one bank to another. it just goes bye bye, never to be remembered. you have sin going into Jesus, so you conclude the father could not look upon him.

but i see a lot of smoke rising up toward Gods nostrils in the end of revelations & that smoke is mans sins because some will die in there sins. so i guess some sins did not make it into Jesus.

anyway, probably however you explain it, it wont make sense to me because there is more to it than just that, but thanks for trying & no need for me to complicate it for others.:)
 
Bandit said:
well, thanks for trying Q:) . i know he is atonement/sacrificie for mans sins & paid the debt in full, but sin is not money that is 'moved' from one bank to another. it just goes bye bye, never to be remembered. you have sin going into Jesus, so you conclude the father could not look upon him.
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If Jesus did not die, no human; not even Adam could be saved. Jesus died to make it possible and give every human who ever lived, the chance to be saved as long as such huimans are willing to ask God's forgiveness. In times past before the coming of Jesus, forgiveness was given by God to the repentant sinner, by using the blood of sacrificial animals as proxy for the blood of His Son. After his Son was sacrificed His son's blood eliminated the need to use animal bood as proxy anymore. Every human has the same chance to wash himself in the blood of the Lamb. Those who do, believing in the Lord as his Saviour together with following the truth of the scriptures, will be saved.

This opportunity to believe in the Lord as Saviour and follow truth is available to each and every human that ever lived. If each and every human was to accept this fact of truth; each and every human would have his sins forgiven; and Jesus would have been responsible for making this possible. Hence each and every sin committed by each and every sinner that is saved; is forgiven only through the blood of Jesus.

Those who do not accept Jesus as Saviour, remain in their sins and bear the just reward for being condemned as a sinner. They pay with their own lives in death, the price of eternal death!

Those who are saved also pay the price for sin-death; only in their case the price of death was paid by our Saviour and Sacrifice-Jesus.



Paultoo
 
Bandit said:
well, thanks for trying Q:) . i know he is atonement/sacrificie for mans sins & paid the debt in full, but sin is not money that is 'moved' from one bank to another. it just goes bye bye, never to be remembered. you have sin going into Jesus, so you conclude the father could not look upon him.

but i see a lot of smoke rising up toward Gods nostrils in the end of revelations & that smoke is mans sins because some will die in there sins. so i guess some sins did not make it into Jesus.

anyway, probably however you explain it, it wont make sense to me because there is more to it than just that, but thanks for trying & no need for me to complicate it for others.:)
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Actually it is no worries "mate". Jesus is the savior, and we are the saved. How we see it matters none. We're aced! Or, better put, "We're saved".

v/r

Q
 
Paultoo said:
This opportunity to believe in the Lord as Saviour and follow truth is available to each and every human that ever lived. If each and every human was to accept this fact of truth; each and every human would have his sins forgiven; and Jesus would have been responsible for making this possible. Hence each and every sin committed by each and every sinner that is saved; is forgiven only through the blood of Jesus.

Those who do not accept Jesus as Saviour, remain in their sins and bear the just reward for being condemned as a sinner. They pay with their own lives in death, the price of eternal death!

Those who are saved also pay the price for sin-death; only in their case the price of death was paid by our Saviour and Sacrifice-Jesus.



Paultoo
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right, some do remain in there sins. the righteous become a living sacrifice unto God. very well put there Paultoo.
 
Quahom1 said:
Actually it is no worries "mate". Jesus is the savior, and we are the saved. How we see it matters none. We're aced! Or, better put, "We're saved".

v/r

Q
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you got that right.;)
 
QUOTE=earl]I think the term, "Son of God," is interesting to ponder in general. We do have Romans 8:14- "For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God."

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Yes we are all sons of God.. but Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God.

I would also like to point out for discussions sake.. that "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?". is the first and only time that Jesus called God.. God instead of Father. Ask yourself why.

I would also like to clarify something that I believe.. When we sin our sins are forgiven... but God is omniscent omnipotent and He transcends time...I do not believe that our sins are forgotten. I believe that He wants a personal relationship with us and provided a way for us to get close to Him because He loves us THAT much. We cannot get close to Him when we are full of iniquity and wickedness. Forgotten is a whole different ball game.. So like the verse in Hebrews

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

You cant play God for a fool He knows our hearts.
 
Faithfulservant said:
Yes we are all sons of God.. but Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God.

I would also like to point out for discussions sake.. that "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?". is the first and only time that Jesus called God.. God instead of Father. Ask yourself why.

I would also like to clarify something that I believe.. When we sin our sins are forgiven... but God is omniscent omnipotent and He transcends time...I do not believe that our sins are forgotten. I believe that He wants a personal relationship with us and provided a way for us to get close to Him because He loves us THAT much. We cannot get close to Him when we are full of iniquity and wickedness. Forgotten is a whole different ball game.. So like the verse in Hebrews

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,

You cant play God for a fool He knows our hearts.
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How do you interpret this verse FaithfulServant from Hebrews?

12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.


& how do you interpret what Jesus said to Mary here when he called the Father his God?

Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.


Wouldn't this in 1 John, also include each of us as a begotten son of God? So, somewhere, at some point Jesus was also begotten. ETERNALLY begotten comes from the Nicene creed, I dont think it is worded like that in the bible, which is why I do not believe in the whole Nicene Creed.

I believe I am a begotten son of God, a joint heir with Christ.
You see, God had to give his ONLY begotten Son before he could beget the rest of us. Jesus went first & we follow him by way of inheritance.

God begets the spirit of man, not another diety(s). Right?

The same word used in begotten (for us) is used when it explains when (this day) Jesus was begotten, through the scriptures. ONLY, is only there when it is refering to Jesus as the only begotten.

1John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1Jo 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.


I am only asking these questions Faithful, because some of the things you are saying (the way it is worded) about the son of God sounds like polytheism & I know that is not what you believe in.:) If you dont want to answer, I understand.
I know we dont believe the same, but I really do try to understand what others believe, even if they cannot understand what I believe.

I do agree with you, no one is going to fool God by letting sin turn into iniquity, by trying to hide it or making excuses for it.
 
1 John 4:9 In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him.

John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

*How can he be in the bosom of the Father and be on earth at the same time? If Christ was begotten at birth.. how can He be the only one that has seen God or heard Him speak.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

John 3:18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

He is not a created son of God, but a begotten Son of God, the only begotten Son of God. He never had a beginning, for He was there in the beginning (John 1:1). In His prayer to the Father, He spoke of "the glory which I had with thee before the world was" (John 17:5).

the OT prophecy about His coming human birth (Micah 5:2), we are told that His "goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting." His human body was, indeed, "brought forth" from "she which travaileth" (Micah 5:2). But long before that, He had been everlastingly going forth from "the bosom of the Father." As seen in John 1:18, He was still "in the bosom of the Father," even while He was on Earth manifesting the Father.

Christ is "the image of the invisible God" (Colossians 1:15), for as He said "I and my Father are one" (John 10:30).

He did not become the only Son by His virgin birth. He was the only unique Son from eternity, "set up from everlasting" (Proverbs 8:23).

The phrase "only begotten" in the above-mentioned verses, in the original Greek language, is monogenes

Combination of two words: "monos" which means "only" or "alone," and "genos" which means "of the same nature, kind, sort, species" That is not the same as "begotten"

A better translation might be "only one of its kind" or "only unique" or just "only," but not "begotten." So we are looking at a potential mistranslation since begotten implies created which is not what the greek word means.

Jesus Christ, the Son of God is a unique and one-of-a-kind being.

One reason that I feel the correct translation is important is because the mistranslation "only begotten" has been used to support false teaching about Jesus and His nature they teach that Jesus is not eternal, but rather that He was begotten or created just like other mere men.

Yes we are joint heirs with Christ.. as we abide in Christ we recieve the benefits of being in Gods family... thats just awesome.

Bandit you and I have gone this route when you first started posting I cannot claim to understand how you get your beliefs its as alien to me as the trinity is to you.. me and Dor talk about you all the time..:) I am by no means polytheistic you know that.. you can go back to the trinity thread from months ago and reread what we discussed. I really have no desire to go another round with you on the deity of Christ because Im not compelled to do so and havent been since you told me you had a hard time having your beliefs be accepted. I would rather embrace you as a brother and discuss our love of Jesus and the bible. That I feel compelled to do. :)
 
The way I see that verse.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

The way I take that verse is that God is merciful and pardons us of our unrighteousness, sins and iniquities all through his mercy and not by anything we do(other than believe and have faith). God is all-knowing. God knows that occurred. However, having forgiven us, He treats us as if the sin had not occurred. God does not hold our sins against us. So while I do not believe God literally forgets our sins they are not held against us in any way.
 
ok , I am fine with that you know. I know some trinitarians are still polytheistic & I was wanting to make sure here. I only ask these things sometimes to better understand what others are seeing. Never do I want to sound like confrontation in an unkind way to any of the true believers, so please dont ever think of me that way.

Thank you for explaining & loving me & I love you guys too, a lot. I love all the brothers & sister too, wether they see one:) , two:) , or three:) & however they put it together.
 
Again I think it's interesting to reflect on alternative language translations of English verses from the Bible. I've mentioned the Douglas-Klotz book, "The Hidden Gospel: Decoding the Spiritual Message of the Aramiac Jesus," at this forum recently. Interesting book as he looks at alternative translative meanings when viewed through Aramaic meanings of english words. So, in the book, he takes the verse from John 3:16: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life," and offers an alternative Aramaic-based translation. He mentions that "begotten" as relates to close Aramaic terms could mean "single, solitary, united" & offers the following alternative, Aramaic-based translation of that verse:

"For Unity so loved Diversity,
all the worlds of form,
that it brought you a child of Unity,
fulfilled in all aspects of self.
so that whoever would have
the same confidence in their own fulfillment,
like the earth underneath supporting all
would not fade with their form,
but continue, from world to world,
with and in the ever-living Life."

Do I know who/what "Jesus," "Christ," "God," "Divinty," or even what I essentially am? Not a clue. But maybe that's a good thing as perhaps once we're sure we know we stop knowing and discovering the new, as yet to be revealed facets of all of the foregoing. Have a good one, Earl
 
Hare Krishna

Here are some interesting points on this topic.

* In the Bhagavad-gita Krishna say "I am the father of all living entities".
* Does he need sex like we to be a father?
* No. He is directing the souls into this material nature just by his glance
* therefor, we all have our secondary material father and mother who give us material body but
* our original father is God. He is the father of us - the spirit soul

Jesus is the special son of His father
* in the Vedic literature there is a category of a specially empowered living entities
* they are chosen by God and can be empowered by
* gyana-shakti - a potency of spiritual knowledge
* Srishti-sakti - a potency for creating
* then there is a potency for ruling
* and the potency of bhakti or devotion

# Jesus is described already before 5000 years ago in the Bhavishya-purana
# at that time his appearance was predicted
# he is mentioned to be a saktiyavesa-avatar of God / the specially empowerd living entity
# He is said to be empowered by bhakti-shakti or devotion to God
# that was obvious from hid preaching
# he was preaching devotion to God
# the Bhavishya-purana mentions also his birth place and the names of his parents
# actually special incarnations of God and the coming of special messengers of God are all predicted in the Vedas (Mohamed is also mentioned)

** specially empowered personalities are considered as good as God
** that doesn't mean they are God but rather that they represent a special aspect of God
** They are especially sent by God to perform activities on His behalf
** therefor, they are as good as God and
** they may be worshipped with equal standard as God
** God likes to see his special devotees to be glorified
** all who perform such worship get the mercy of both God and His representative.

# My understanding of trinity is that of unity in diversity
# they are all different godly aspects but one in interest
# to bless the people of this material world
 
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