Robert F Kennedy Jr

[Faithfulservant]

I recall the refrigerated tractor trailers in inner city hospital parking lots as temporary morgues and temporary buildings built as ER triage and containment centers.

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Probably deaths caused by

remdesivir​

I had a family friend die from multi organ failure after being put on this after being intubated.

 

[iBrian]

The vaccine had one goal....reduce deaths.

The claim was that covid vaccines prevented infection in the first place - that's the whole point of a *vaccine*: Here's a piece trumping that from November 2020, in case anyone forgot:

Covid vaccine: First 'milestone' vaccine offers 90% protection

The vaccine is a "significant step" forward for getting life back to normal, but challenges remain.

www.bbc.co.uk

The first effective coronavirus vaccine can prevent more than 90% of people from getting Covid-19, a preliminary analysis shows.

The developers - Pfizer and BioNTech - described it as a "great day for science and humanity".

Their vaccine has been tested on 43,500 people in six countries and no safety concerns have been raised.

And while it's wonderful that so much data has been collected on the covid vaccine roll out since, it's worth noting that the data is flawed because - certainly early on - there was a general refusal to accept that it caused any adverse effects. It would certainly be telling if, now that side effects may be recorded, how many people actually do actually suffer myocarditis from it. Is it surprising that no actual figures are given?

I just want to iterate that I am not at all anti-vaccine - I merely question the covid one because real questions were raised about it from the start, but have not just been ignored or dismissed but routinely censored. Neither do I deny that it has its place - early in the pandemic seniors appeared especially vulnerable to death from covid so it made sense to roll it out to the most vulnerable, regardless of any potential risks. What is disturbing, though, is how much further it went from that - that government workers were forced to take the injection, and it was rolled out to pregnant women and babies, in ignorance of the potential risks.

I need a GP .. I'm on medication, and have had the experience without one, having to go
to the hospital every few days, as they refused to prescribe more than one or two days worth.

I'm really sorry to hear about your experiences. Truly.

Benefits agency has consistently turned me down .. I can walk 100 steps .. I don't need a
companion etc. etc.

The assessors for PIP and ADP have no clue about CFS/ME. I've been trying to chase this up with my MP. I also found out my claim was refused because an assessor had read a webpage at the ME Association website about different degrees of severity, and decided that because I can shower and dress I must therefore have it so mild I don't deserve a claim. I got in contact with the ME Association, and got them to highlight in bold a paragraph pointing out that it's just a guide, and that symptoms will vary between individuals. Hopefully helps at least a little if any assessors refer to it in future.

 

[wil]

90% effective is what it claimed according to what you have posted.is it not?

I am.confused...that is not a claim of prevention, but reduced chance of infection.

I am in the same boat of denying disability benefits.... I get social security for my previous employment...but they think I could work (earn 800$ per month) but since I can't ever guarantee I am gonna stay awake.for the next 4 hours I have not been employed since 2018 when my aorta dissected.

I understand yall dont like mrna, but I hope research continues with it for use against zika, rsv, cancer and flu...however with Kennedys anti science and research propensity we may have to wait till the USA recovers from its current infection before we can even afford that funding again.

 

[iBrian]

90% effective is what it claimed according to what you have posted.is it

The original claim is that it stopped 90% of people being infected by covid. Now the claim is simply that it prevents the worst of the symptoms because it doesn't prevent infection - like traditional vaccines do.

I am in the same boat of denying disability benefits...

I'm really sorry to hear that as well. It's unbelievable how ignorant disability assessors are.

I understand yall dont like mrna

The problem is simply about how the method has been pushed without adequate checks. So long as proper and thorough questions are asked that's all to the good. As opposed to handing billion-dollar pharmaceuticals blank checks, especially for research they should be more than able to afford themselves. The hope is that any such research undergoes proper 3rd party scrutiny, but that might be asking a bit much!

 

[TheLightWithin]

The claim was that covid vaccines prevented infection in the first place - that's the whole point of a *vaccine*:

If I understand correctly, vaccines work best over a large population - if one person gets vaccinated and nobody else does, the person who is vaccinated is not terribly well protected. They --vaccines -- aren't 100% effective per individual, they cut down the likelihood of infection enough so that an illness can be very much slowed down or even outright stopped if a large proportion of the population is vaccinated.

 

[TheLightWithin]

In 2020 I was given medication I didn't need, didn't want, and already had a history of reacting to, but I believed reassurances that everything would be fine. Instead, my body completely burned out and now I'm disabled and can't leave the house without being pushed in a wheelchair. That was 5 years ago, and I am still fighting benefits agencies to have my condition properly recognized.

Yikes! This is terrible.
I am so truly sorry about this outcome - was this from a COVID vaccine or something else? (if you are comfortable sharing of course)

 

[iBrian]

Yikes! This is terrible.
I am so truly sorry about this outcome - was this from a COVID vaccine or something else? (if you are comfortable sharing of course)

No, it was from a steroid inhaler. I'd seen protests in the US about people claiming being vaccinated went against their rights, and I thought they were just nutty conspiracists. But when my wife was looking up how to manage my own illness, she kept coming across reports of myocarditis caused by the covid vaccine, which results in similar long-term debilitating symptoms. That's why, when these people had their testimonies actively deleted and censored by YouTube and Facebook and other social media, and was completely ignored by the mainstream media, it cut a little close and raised alarm bells as to what was actually happening.

If I understand correctly, vaccines work best over a large population - if one person gets vaccinated and nobody else does, the person who is vaccinated is not terribly well protected.

My understanding is that traditional vaccines are usually pretty good at preventing infection of the individual, as well as also protecting the wider population by blocking the process of transmission. That's because the vaccinated individuals are not only protected but also unable to spread the infection. For example:

You've been vaccinated, but can you still get measles?

Is it possible to get measles from someone else if you've been vaccinated?

www.mayoclinic.org

Can I get the measles if I've been vaccinated?

It's rare, but some people may get measles after being fully vaccinated. In this small number of people, the symptoms tend to be mild. The measles vaccine, which is given in two doses, prevents measles 97% of the time on average.

At the start of the pandemic, the covid vaccines were claimed to prevent individuals from being infected, and if vaccination programs were carried out on a large enough scale, prevent transmission altogether. But years later it was admitted they'd failed on both counts. Add unintended side effects which cause long-term disability, and IMO that all gives reason enough to pause for thought.

Anyway, moving back to the broader topic, that's why - even though a lot of people are denigrating RFK for disrupting the system - I think he's asking some important and difficult questions. Not just about vaccines, though, but other issues such as why the US alone should allow so many food additives that other countries have banned as unsafe. IMO the bigger question is why no one before him in that position has tried to challenge the status quo.

I can't say I agree with everything he says - he does seem very ignorant about autistic people - but it's definitely going to be interesting to see how things develop.

 

[wil]

Anyway, moving back to the broader topic, that's why - even though a lot of people are denigrating RFK for disrupting the system - I think he's asking some important and difficult questions. Not just about vaccines, though, but other issues such as why the US alone should allow so many food additives that other countries have banned as unsafe. IMO the bigger question is why no one before him in that position has tried to challenge the status quo.

Yup! Exactly...but it is like the Hitler built good roads stuff, or his medical experiments lead to medical.achiements down the road.

I still believe him to be.an anti science conspiracy theorist nut job and not suitable for the position he has been appointed
.....but...and make that a big BUT his devil may care anti-big pharma attitude will benefit us if we get some euro level restrictions on food coloring and additives.

However it will be meaningless if we keep demonizing the regulatory agencies that test and protect us.

 

[moralorel]

Not to say there.isnt some concern but from leeches on there hasn't been one medical intervention without side affects.

While we should never stop testing and research imo, some of the anecdotal evidence needs to be evaluated for correlation, causation or coincidence...you know shark attacks increase with ice cream sales? (Becuase both are affected by hot weather)

Currently my level of concern is that of flat earth and faked moon landings...reminds me, time for a booster.

FACT FOCUS: RFK Jr.'s reasons for cutting mRNA vaccine not supported by evidence

His claim is contradicted by scientific evidence. Countless studies show that vaccinated individuals fare far better against COVID-19 infections than those who are unvaccinated, while others have estimated that COVID-19 vaccines prevented millions of deaths during the global pandemic.

apnews.com

Benefit-risk assessment of Covid-19 vaccine, MRNA (MRNA-1273) for males age 18–64 years - PMC

Publication promotes vaccination to fight against the COVID-19 pandemic. We assessed the benefits and risks per million male population of age 18–64 stratified by age groups. Results show CVmRNA vaccine benefits outweigh risks for all model ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Can I assume that you are NOT saying that those who disagree with you on this matter are the equivalent of "flat earthers' and those who believe the moon landing was faked?

 

[moralorel]

Our recollections differ. There has not been a vaccine without side effects, or a vaccine that was 100% effective (my non professional non medical observations)

The vaccine had one goal....reduce deaths.

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Yep! One goal. Making money was just a happy coincidence.

 

[Thomas]

Anyway, moving back to the broader topic, that's why - even though a lot of people are denigrating RFK for disrupting the system - I think he's asking some important and difficult questions. Not just about vaccines, though, but other issues such as why the US alone should allow so many food additives that other countries have banned as unsafe. IMO the bigger question is why no one before him in that position has tried to challenge the status quo.

I can't say I agree with everything he says - he does seem very ignorant about autistic people - but it's definitely going to be interesting to see how things develop.

Listened to BBC 'Inside Science' – BBC Inside Science - What’s the evidence for vaccines? - BBC Sounds –

Interesting – fact-checking many of Kennedy's claims, and showing they're invariably wrong, or misunderstanding data?

 

[iBrian]

Listened to BBC 'Inside Science' – BBC Inside Science - What’s the evidence for vaccines? - BBC Sounds –

Interesting – fact-checking many of Kennedy's claims, and showing they're invariably wrong, or misunderstanding data?

BBC "fact checking" is what they used during covid to "prove" the vaccine prevented infection and helped stop the virus spreading, and to completely denigrate any opinion that said otherwise.

As that all proved false I would be careful about trusting it, especially as a lot of the political fact checking appears politically targeted as well. Unfortunately IMO it's simply editorial agenda as much as anything, which is a shame.

 

[wil]

Can I assume that you are NOT saying that those who disagree with you on this matter are the equivalent of "flat earthers' and those who believe the moon landing was faked?

No, I am saying I have the same level of interest listening to them without supporting data. I usually sit and watch them dig their own ditch as they supply it.

I am not a scientist, immunologist, medical.doctor or astrophysicist...when it comes to questions for those trades I tend to leave it up to that consortium for the answers...and tend to listen less to the fringe...it has served me well for decades.

 

[Thomas]

Has anyone brought a serious case to court yet ...?

 

[Faithfulservant]

This is the kind of videos i get.

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Read This..👇It’ll Save Your Life 👇The system is built to keep you sick. Not to heal you. Not to cure you. To manage your symptoms just enough to bleed you dry…financially, physically, and...

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[moralorel]

No, I am saying I have the same level of interest listening to them without supporting data. I usually sit and watch them dig their own ditch as they supply it.

I am not a scientist, immunologist, medical.doctor or astrophysicist...when it comes to questions for those trades I tend to leave it up to that consortium for the answers...and tend to listen less to the fringe...it has served me well for decades.

But we have given supporting data.
And given evidence from professionals in these fields. We are not "fringe".

Flat earthers and Moon landing hoaxers don't have any of this. They just have their opinions, TikTok videos, etc.

 

[moralorel]

Has anyone brought a serious case to court yet ...?

In our country the main person responsible for disinformation has been pardoned for the entirety of his work on this virus. He's untouchable for any crime he committed from January 2014 to the present. This is the first time in our country that a president laid out blanket pardons for crimes that haven't even hit the courts yet.

The drug companies also have blanket immunity. It was granted to them when they were creating the vaccine. The Food and Drug Administration also has blanket immunity concerning Covid. With few exceptions, you can't even sue a workplace for forcing the vaccine on you. Some legal action has occurred here though.

 

[Thomas]

In our country the main person responsible for disinformation has been pardoned ...

OK, but the rollout was global ...

 

[Faithfulservant]

OK, but the rollout was global ...

What if the whole thing was a test? Lets see how the world would submit to a global decree.

Read some articles on the world economic forum website.

 

[moralorel]

OK, but the rollout was global ...

Feel free to do some research. I just know the laws of my own country.

But I'm certain that any monarchy, socialist nation, or communist nation would have state run media that would be more than forthcoming with unbiased information of legal action taken against them for forcing a Covid vaccine on them. I'm certain they would welcome such legal action and feel bad for forcing something harmful on the masses. They would definitely feel bad for being dishonest to the people or for controlling them.