What evidence would you accept?

Yeah .. not extinct yet, but soon will be.
We have created civilisations, but can't seem to keep them .. subsequent generations
end up "losing the plot".😑
Well, surely some day. More specialization, less longer the species survives.
There is no 'plot'. Life is like a river, meandering along the easiest way.

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Civilisation does not appear by chance .. it is intentionally formed by human arrangement.
Civilizations appear and disappear by chance. Where is the Egyptian civilization, the Greek and the Roman?
The civilizations that exist today will also disappear at some time. Nothing is permanent in this world.
 
Civilizations appear and disappear by chance..
:D

The civilizations that exist today will also disappear at some time. Nothing is permanent in this world.
Quite right .. but they won't disappear by chance, any more than their creation was by chance.

We all know that civilisations rise and fall. Historians study such phenomena.
It's human nature .. that which our ancestors struggled to establish, subsequent generations
become complacent about.
 
What is the root of their troubles? Religions which started in middle-east.
Yeah, right .. people don't like change .. maybe that's why the elites plotted against
those that preached for change.
i.e. the prophets

That is not confined to middle-east religions. That goes for all political ideologies.
Naturally, we will 'home in' on the current conflicts that are affecting us.

..but let's stick to discussing religion, as politics is banned atm. 😑
 
What is the root of their troubles? Religions which started in middle-east.
So what you mean to say is that "religion" is the root of wars, not the middle east.

That's quite false.

But you do like to push opinions without facts. So here's your chance to prove yourself. Prove that religion originated in the middle east and not somewhere else.

Good luck.
 
Well, it is the religions that started in middle-east who are currently at war, not the Eastern religions.
That's not what you originally stated. So I assume you realize the issue with your opinion.

I don't suppose you ever heard of this thing called "oil"? If it weren't for oil the west would probably not even care about the middle east.
 
That's not what you originally stated. So I assume you realize the issue with your opinion.

I don't suppose you ever heard of this thing called "oil"? If it weren't for oil the west would probably not even care about the middle east.
US along with supplies from Canada has no oil problem. Why is it fighting with Iran?
Its war with Iran has put all nations (white, yellow, brown, red, black) in trouble.
Let us stop at this point because politics is not to be discussed in Interfaith.
 
US along with supplies from Canada has no oil problem. Why is it fighting with Iran?
Its war with Iran has put all nations (white, yellow, brown, red, black) in trouble.
Let us stop at this point because politics is not to be discussed in Interfaith.
Not necessarily "politics".

In order to understand the current worldwide situation, one can just check the blessings given buy the former biblical patriarchs. Noah, as an example, blessing Shem for a fortunate future, and also was a bless for Japhet, to enjoy the good wealth of Shem. This is what we see today, Shem, the white race enjoys the wealth, you see it in Europe, US, and some other countries in Asia. Also the Yellow race, Japhet, enjoys the wealth of Shem, like China, Japan, South Korea, and other countries. With the descendants of Cam, the Black race, one of them was to be made slaves, and this slavery lasted notoriously up to the current times.

Other blessings, like the ones given by Jacob and Moses to the tribe of Joseph implies dominion over other nations, when Ephraim and Manasseh with their armies will be like bulls using their horns to subdue the nations up to the end of the era. Notice that looting and stealing can be considered part of the "blessings" in order to become powerful, this is the reason of armies mentioned in the blessings.

Right or wrong, those blessings became valid. History shows that up to today, the brothers US and UK still maintain the influence over the rest of nations. France, the firstborn Reuben still having influence even when his privilege of birth is in second place. Each region or country of Europe, including part of Russia, is one of the tribes of Israel with the corresponding blessing. In other words, the 10 tribes of Israel were called lost by Jesus, but lost is not synonymous of dead or not existing anymore. Lost tribes mean these tribes just lost their identities, and this happened when these were exiled and crossed the river and assimilated to the cultures of what today is Europe.

Wars caused by the tribes of Israel to dominate other nations have happened before the exploitation of oil, the wars were for gold and similar. The word "politics" didn't exist yet.

Same scenario you see today where tribes of Israel fight sometimes between themselves is a sign of their far distance from their god, a similar event observed in the promised land in times of judges. They were doing things at their will.

Today, with our culture and doctrines, we point the finger to "politics" as the explanation of several events, having in consideration that this word "politics" has became a new concept. In past biblical times the rule was kingdoms here and kingdoms there, no need for other "political systems".

Under our new concept, yes, all what is happening is "politics", from the biblical point of view, it is just the fulfillment of former blessings, which not necessarily came from the creator but... that is food for another topic.

Point here is that the current events might be considered a "evidence" when blessings from key biblical characters became reality. The problem I find with these thoughts is "how" those blessings developed throughout history.
 
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