Do you think the story in Genesis, from the beginning up to Adam and Eve being escorted out of the garden, is historical fact handed down through the generations or do you think it is a metaphor for something? If you think it is a metaphor what do you think the metaphor means? thanks brian
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I think it's based on the history of mankind, but not an accurate account.
It's like those hand-me-down stories that get changed/exaggerated over time.
I do not believe in "original sin" .. I believe that babies are born innocent, and that it is
parents and/or environment that might take away their innocence.
Furthermore, I see "the garden of eden" as being more of a state of being than a place.
..hence the concept of 'realising their nakedness', that translates to a change in awareness.
I also believe that Adam and Eve were forgiven for their sin of disobedience, although sins
have bad consequences .. which is why they are sins.
The serpent in the garden wanted them to disobey .. he was a created being who opposes G-d
and righteousness .. we all have a choice.
G-d knew that Adam and Eve would make the mistake .. He knows what He created .. He knows
we will all sin .. some more than others.
It's must be pretty important if this is what the ancients thought they should save for future generations. Do you think the garden of eden was/is a physical location on earth? thanks brian
Muhammad: can't remember is original sin mentioned in the story I referenced? Could original sin be the unresolved stuff we carry with us from lifetime to lifetime? I also think it is a place within each of us and the story is what we need to return to this place within.
I see the serpent as a representation of earth plane stuff and a metaphor for shedding our skin.
What do you think the "ever-turning fiery sword" is that was placed at the gate to the garden might be?
Thanks.
Brian
I did not say otherwise. I dare say some ancient people believed it. That, however is not a definition of history.
I am not trying to put words in your mouth, I don't want to argue. Brian
I believe it is both historical and metaphorical.
The main theme is reincarnation, which is a concept that runs throughout the Bible, from Genesis to Revelation.
Of course, the mainstream church with their false teachings tries their best to hide that from the masses.
I see the story as a mirror. It’s not an account of what happened to two people thousands of years ago. It’s a blueprint of what happens to every human being as they grow from the innocent, un-self-conscious bliss of infancy (before the fall) into the complex, heavy, and beautiful responsibility of adulthood...life full of sins.
It doesn't hold any significance to me..
I agree it is both, we just don't have the training and inside knowledge to understand it today. Hopefully we will someday.
Ancient groups of wise men that knew the secrets created metaphoric stories to verbally pass down the wisdom, but like and group of 'monks' you had to be an initiate to be taught by someone that knew what it meant in order to understand the deeper true meanings.
I Think what is hidden in plain sight is our lack of knowledge of the true meanings. I think the tree of life being placed in the center with four rivers(read energy) flowing to the center from the four cardinal directions is something we are missing. The other key component is the ever-turning fiery sword placed at the gate. I don't believe it is there to keep us out, I think it is there to help regain entry, we just don't know what it is and how to use it to gain entry.
Thanks brian
Well said. How about all the accumulated unresolved stuff we carry with us from lifetime to lifetime that gets in the way of our connection with our higher power, God. brian
This is my opinion on the Tree of Life. If we look at what the Book of Revelation says about it, we find something rather peculiar...
The Tree of Life is a 'her'. Moreover, she has a 'monthly cycle' so to speak. In other words, the 'fruit' appear to be symbolic of female egg cells.
In this verse, we see she is the mother of those that are redeemed...
There appears to be a lot of human anatomy that is alluded to. If we take that concept and run with it, we find that it connects to other things.
For example, in order for the 'heavenly mother' to conceive, there needs to be a 'heavenly father'. I.e., there needs to be a fertilization process. Look here...
The father is emanating fluid via the lamb, or 'Abraham's Seed'. Thus, the 'fruit' or egg cells become zygotes by which the redeemed partake metaphorically to become born again.
If we go back to the Garden of Eden and apply the anatomy concept again, we find that the Tree of Life is 'fertilized' by the four rivers you mentioned. A, C, G, T.
The Garden itself is like a womb. Earth is the mother. The two trees therefore represent two choices of 'body types'. Immortal vs. mortal.
We all chose to partake of the zygotes on Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, fertilized by the Serpent. We all made a covenant with death to be conceived into this world.
I believe it is connected to the concept of the Lake of Fire, which in reality is simply a portal back here again. In other words, it is the final step in the reincarnation process. It ends at the Ark of the Covenant. The body is the temple.
I don't think we can look at the origin story of Genesis and compare it to other parts of the Bible written who knows how many 100's or 1000's of years later by people that may or may not have understood what the book of Genesis was saying through it's metaphors. In my opinion, no way to accurately compare. thanks brian
what exactly are those 'accumulated unresolved stuff' ?
It is my belief original sin is a reference to unresolved experiences we carry with us from lifetime to lifetime. Think of things that have traumatized you or hurt your feelings that are unresolved. Unresolved meaning we have not processed our feelings in a healthy way finding forgiveness for ourselves or others as it relates to each individual experience. I believe all these things are a part of us and we take them with us when we cross over and come back. They can be uncovered, discovered within our subconscious and healed, but we have to find them and heal them in order to set down the burden.
Think about what we have in this unresolved stuff in a single life time now multiply that by how many lifetimes we've been here.
I am of the opinion our connection with our higher power is fuzzy as we experience things through this filter. As we uncover and heal them our connection grows stronger and becomes more clear. Like a pencil looks bent at the water line in a glass, the water distorts our perception just as unresolved stuff distorts our perception because we filter this world through these experiences.
Thanks.
Brian
I regard the Fall as 'atemporal', as something that happened 'outside' of history, not 'within' time or history.
I do not read the Genesis narrative as history, but as a myth pointing to a spiritual estrangement that predates the history of this cosmos.
I don't think ti is history, I think it is a metaphorical story created to pass down how we got the way we are and how we can return to where we came, energetically. Wise men created this and only taught the truth of it to initiates. People on the outside would never understand it. Many still believe the garden of eden was a physical place on earth.
'predates the history of the cosmos' I think I agree like going back to the big bag. let there be light in the darkness etc....
Thanks.
Brian
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It was important to its culture of origin, as other creation stories are to other cultures
Just to be clear, the Fall is 'before' the Big Bang.
History starts with the Big Bang. The Fall was before history.