Purpose of religion

I think Isaiah (I have read) and Mica (I’ve been told? Any other prophets?) may have begun the inclusiveness that became the hallmark of Christ’s teaching. As their religion evolved, they probably came to understand that the potential for cooperation exceeded tribalism and that tribal fighting would unnecessarily interfere with that potential. They were seeing the big picture.
The potential for cooperation seems to correlate with the potential for intelligence, understanding. A brighter mind sees the possibilities of interdependence, but effective cooperation also requires the ongoing development of intelligence so we are not cooperating with a bunch of stupid and wrong ideas. The effective educing, drawing out of intelligence must be one of the main goals of the cooperation. So cooperation and intelligence seem to have a reciprocal relationship, each helping the other. Love and enlightenment form a sacred marriage.
 
There is some evidence that universe happened naturally, there is none that some God designed it (outside the scriptures).
My view recently is that physical existence did happen “naturally” as an accident somehow or another from Divine Being (verb form of being), perhaps frequencies log jammed and fragmented, resulting in plasma and mater? But God shines through or rubs off on the accident and eventually brings it back to its original non physical state, “home.” We as agents can help speed up the inevitable correction by channeling Divine Being into curative actions. I think it is called Positive Gnosticism.
 
My view recently is that physical existence did happen “naturally” as an accident somehow or another from Divine Being (verb form of being), perhaps frequencies log jammed and fragmented, resulting in plasma and mater? But God shines through or rubs off on the accident and eventually brings it back to its original non physical state, “home.” We as agents can help speed up the inevitable correction by channeling Divine Being into curative actions. I think it is called Positive Gnosticism.
Good, it satisfies you. No superstition, God or soul, satisfies me.
 
The Bible proved wrong? The Quran? The Vedas? The Sutras? All of them? All of it?
I will talk about Vedas. Mostly wrong. Gods and oblations. It does not go with science.
Won't blame the Aryans. They, after all, were herders.
Upanishads and Suttas are closer to truth.
 
Hart recently offered an essay in which he observes that "There was a moment when the word came to bear the indefinite article – as in ‘Christianity is a religion’ " – and so to refer to some supposedly stable empirical object or ideal essence.

This is where we are today. People think religion and a whole packaged item comes to mind. A mixed bundle of understandings, misunderstandings, prejudices, fancies, uncomprehensions and assumptions.

There was a time when the term, religio or cultus, theosebeia, thrēskeia or latreia, was understood to refer to a practice, not a thing designated by credo and dogma, not an order of identity posed over against other analogous but alien identities.

When, in the fifteenth century, Nicholas of Cusa wrote De Vera Religione, he was not writing about 'the' true faith but rather true religion in the sense of the highest virtue in seeking God. Only well into the modern period did it become normal for us to speak of ‘religions’ in the plural, classed as instances of a universal category or kind.

Strict division among religions is principally a modern Western prejudice. In East Asia it's quite possible to be at once Confucian, Daoist and Buddhist, or Confucian, Buddhist and Shintoist ... there are distinct creeds, but very few that are mutually impermeable in every regard, and this occasions less anxiety in the faithful than it often does in the West. (Alhough we ought not diminish the contention between Muslims and Hindus, gort example.)

The problem with the modern category is that it tends to assume artificial lines of demarkation, enforcing an often fictional uniformity or identity that rarely withstands serious scrutiny. It creates division where, if one were to look, there are actually profound commonalities and even universally shared experiences.

The idea of Christendom, for example, evokes images of Medieval Europe, as if that;s where Christianity originated, or found its home.

There is no such thing as a single 'Christian identity', nor has there ever been a single 'Christian religion'. There have always been pluralities, fluid and variable, diverse except when forced by external political or social pressures into rigid institutional or cultural forms.

Thus Christianity, throughout the European Middle Ages, rubbed shoulders with the 'pagan' world without too much bother. Brigid of Ireland stepped through the veil to serve as midwife at the nativity, and so on ... it's not a case of appropriation or assimilation – rather it's a case of seeing the truth where and how it manifests itself, not in one thing only, but in all things.

To discuss 'the purpose of religion' will first require the shedding of a body of assumptions, and stripping the ideas right back to their essences.
 
Hart recently offered an essay in which he observes that "There was a moment when the word came to bear the indefinite article – as in ‘Christianity is a religion’ " – and so to refer to some supposedly stable empirical object or ideal essence.

This is where we are today. People think religion and a whole packaged item comes to mind. A mixed bundle of understandings, misunderstandings, prejudices, fancies, uncomprehensions and assumptions.

There was a time when the term, religio or cultus, theosebeia, thrēskeia or latreia, was understood to refer to a practice, not a thing designated by credo and dogma, not an order of identity posed over against other analogous but alien identities.

When, in the fifteenth century, Nicholas of Cusa wrote De Vera Religione, he was not writing about 'the' true faith but rather true religion in the sense of the highest virtue in seeking God. Only well into the modern period did it become normal for us to speak of ‘religions’ in the plural, classed as instances of a universal category or kind.

Strict division among religions is principally a modern Western prejudice. In East Asia it's quite possible to be at once Confucian, Daoist and Buddhist, or Confucian, Buddhist and Shintoist ... there are distinct creeds, but very few that are mutually impermeable in every regard, and this occasions less anxiety in the faithful than it often does in the West. (Alhough we ought not diminish the contention between Muslims and Hindus, gort example.)

The problem with the modern category is that it tends to assume artificial lines of demarkation, enforcing an often fictional uniformity or identity that rarely withstands serious scrutiny. It creates division where, if one were to look, there are actually profound commonalities and even universally shared experiences.

The idea of Christendom, for example, evokes images of Medieval Europe, as if that;s where Christianity originated, or found its home.

There is no such thing as a single 'Christian identity', nor has there ever been a single 'Christian religion'. There have always been pluralities, fluid and variable, diverse except when forced by external political or social pressures into rigid institutional or cultural forms.

Thus Christianity, throughout the European Middle Ages, rubbed shoulders with the 'pagan' world without too much bother. Brigid of Ireland stepped through the veil to serve as midwife at the nativity, and so on ... it's not a case of appropriation or assimilation – rather it's a case of seeing the truth where and how it manifests itself, not in one thing only, but in all things.

To discuss 'the purpose of religion' will first require the shedding of a body of assumptions, and stripping the ideas right back to their essences.
This is a very well written post, and I appreciate it. I've wondered myself if the "check this box" regarding religion wasn't mostly a Western phenomenon...

I've reached a point where I find labels a little tiresome. It seems that each person has their own personal religion(even those that say they're without it), and while a quick label can be convenient in an impersonal situation, it can be restricting in more personal ones.

One of the most beautiful thing about any religion to me is how it grow, adapts, changes...
 
What i see explained is what i see many having gra stated to....at least I have. I borrow what I like from many man made creations labeled various sects, denominations, in various religions. Love the quiet of long zazen, i like seeing how different families have seders and counting the omer, I like using the metaphysical Bible Dictionary when I read the bible....i love many concepts I've learned from Muslims on supporting community thru their form of tithing. I like the use of chants with Hindu gods and Chatholic Saints...pray but move your feet.

I love the concept of exploring the various thought that that makes strolling thrun and examine life while living it.
 
There was a time when the term, religio or cultus, theosebeia, thrēskeia or latreia, was understood to refer to a practice,
In the Catholic usage the term 'Religious' is mostly used for members of religious orders who often identify by wearing a habit that is distinctive to their order and usually practice daily prayer rituals at set times, like Benedictines who gather for prayer seven times a day. Thus when the Pope Francis in 2014 wrote a letter to the Religious it was addressed to these members of religious orders devoted to 'the consecrated life' I believe?
 
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There was a time when the term, religio or cultus, theosebeia, thrēskeia or latreia, was understood to refer to a practice, not a thing designated by credo and dogma, not an order of identity posed over against other analogous but alien identities.

When, in the fifteenth century, Nicholas of Cusa wrote De Vera Religione, he was not writing about 'the' true faith but rather true religion in the sense of the highest virtue in seeking God. Only well into the modern period did it become normal for us to speak of ‘religions’ in the plural, classed as instances of a universal category or kind.
I wonder if our quest for technology and technical (detail-oriented) in the West shifted our mode of understanding to the left brain hemisphere where concepts tend to overshadow perceptions. Religion as practice harkens experiences, spiritual states. The West became interested in formulas and fact-like truths instead of experiencing True Love, Beauty, Oneness. But it is probably a cultural stage that we will outgrow and come back to focusing on fullness of being. We in the West have been excessive doers, at the expense of beingness. As one of the cultural participants, I have shifted my theology to the primacy of Being (verb form), to the point (maybe an overcompensation, but it still rings true to me) of saying The One Thing God Does … is be.
That is my next, very short (!) “book.” We can’t blame God for all the crappy things in physical existence because God didn’t do, make, it. God is. Love and Goodness and Wholeness is not something God does. It is part of God’s Nature, Being. And it is so strong that nothing can permanently keep us away from it. We do, however have the option of tapping into God’s Being sooner than later, reducing the amount of separation and needless suffering.
 
I wonder if our quest for technology and technical (detail-oriented) in the West shifted our mode of understanding to the left brain hemisphere where concepts tend to overshadow perceptions. Religion as practice harkens experiences, spiritual states. The West became interested in formulas and fact-like truths instead of experiencing True Love, Beauty, Oneness.
I see the left vs right brain thing happening a lot. I quite agree, but query whether humanity ever experienced True Love, Beauty, Oneness -- the idea of the noble savage?
 
I wonder if our quest for technology and technical (detail-oriented) in the West shifted our mode of understanding ...
I can agree, but have not the insights to pin it specifically ... the rise of empiricism? the Enlightenment? Did it 'kick in' at some point, or was it always there?

Religion as practice harkens experiences, spiritual states.
Eastern Orthodoxy saw 'religion' and 'spirituality' as synonymous, long after the west had introduced distinctions.

They would argue, much to the annoyance of the west, that you can't do 'spirituality' without 'religion', at least not an order of spirituality that pre-reformation Christianity (in the West) talks about.
 
but query whether humanity ever experienced True Love, Beauty, Oneness -
I don't think humanity has, but I feel pretty sure that many people get near, maybe even get a glimpse. Various shamen, monks and holy men seem to have achieved something, presumably the result of long training. Others just seem to get near quite naturally. I am sure Blake falls into this category. How else could he have written Auguries of Innocence, or so it seems to me.
 
I don't think humanity has, but I feel pretty sure that many people get near, maybe even get a glimpse. Various shamen, monks and holy men seem to have achieved something, presumably the result of long training. Others just seem to get near quite naturally. I am sure Blake falls into this category. How else could he have written Auguries of Innocence, or so it seems to me.
Absolutely
 
I see the left vs right brain thing happening a lot. I quite agree, but query whether humanity ever experienced True Love, Beauty, Oneness -- the idea of the noble savage?
The disharmony in physical existence tends to bias us toward action instead of beingness and related sensibilities. The West just shifted from defense (Tribal protection, etc.) to offense (controlling physical reality) but stayed in the same action-oriented mode. So, you are probably right that we never did get Oneness etc. down pat.
Yesterday I made the mental connection of the Quantum theorists’ concept of coherence and the traditional spiritual concept of harmony and oneness. According to the theorists, quantum coherence is lost once the quantum potential is unpacked and wave function is collapsed as classical objects form. My recent insistence on God as Beingness rather than being a doer, fits with the notion that God is “packed.” Strictly speaking, God does not “exist,” if the word exists means to stand out. God only rests in. That doesn’t mean we can’t channel God’s Nature into physical nature. But to channel we would need to learn to operate and/or originate from a deeper zone. Generally speaking, we are unpacked objects engaged in unpacking and managing unpacked realities. Which means we are embroiled in quantum incoherence. And this may mean that our being in the world makes coherence and harmony and oneness nearly impossible. And yet we do seem to have a mental and/or spiritual capacity for sensing deeper reality where potential rests in packed states and where quantum coherence is much more prevalent. Can we learn to operate and originate from a deeper, packed, zone of overall reality? Can we channel God’s coherence and somehow or another bring more harmony and integration into the world? I think yes, but probably much easier said than done.
 
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Can we channel God’s coherence and somehow or another bring more harmony and integration into the world?
But have ordinary everyday humans ever had that as a goal of their own personal existence? Has the world ever been an easier place to be?
 
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