robocombot
Disciple
Why not?SOGFPP said:
How much of the Nicene Creed to you agree to?
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Oh my,
You just got me thinking about this whole creed, so I started to read it (instead of reciting by route), and the brakes came on right here:
I believe in one God,
the Father Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
and of all things visible and invisible;
This appears (to me) to be in direct conflict with the Bible's "inferences" to Jesus being the "creator of everything".
I need to look at this deeper, and see If I'm not reading more into the Bible than I should be.
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Q
You just got me thinking about this whole creed, so I started to read it (instead of reciting by route), and the brakes came on right here:
I believe in one God,
the Father Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
and of all things visible and invisible;
This appears (to me) to be in direct conflict with the Bible's "inferences" to Jesus being the "creator of everything".
I need to look at this deeper, and see If I'm not reading more into the Bible than I should be.
v/r
Q
Ok, this is where I am stuck. Can someone help out with this?Quahom1 said:
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Hims was life, and the life was the lght of men. 5 And the llight shine in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
Genesis 1:3 And God said, "Let there be light,"...
John affirms that Jesus is the Word, and that Jesus is God, and with God and all things were made through the Word (Jesus).
Genesis affirms that God said...(spoke, gave the Word)
So, who made heaven and earth, and all things visible and invisible? Father, or Son, or both?
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Q
The term logos(the word in greek) plays an essential role in greek philosophy and mysticism, which it appears John had some aquaintance. It was an important concept in the theology of the alexandrian jewish philosopher Philo and in the hellenistic speculation known as hermetism( attributed to the god hermes) Hermes Trismegistus( hermes the thrice greatest) thrice/trinity? Just an observation.
For Philo the Logos was God's tool in creating the world, a mediator figure between God and mankind.
For Philo the Logos was God's tool in creating the world, a mediator figure between God and mankind.
Thank you Did.didymus said:
Now correct me if I have this wrong (please).
The Father, used the Son, to create the world...hence even though the Son did the work, the Father in fact created the world?
In other words, the Father said "I have a dream", and the Son said "I will make that dream into reality", and the Father gave His blessing and said "This is good"...?
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Q
I don't fully understand all implications of the term logos but can give you a little info.
Logos was widely used in Greco-Roman culture and in Judaism. It varied in definition between these two.Term was used to describe intelligent principle of the universe. In septuagint translation of OT ,logos (davar in hebrew) was used to describe God's utterances , actions and messages of prophets to communicate with people.
Philo interpreted logos in his Doctrine of God as divine mind, form of forms idea of ideas or sum total of forms and ideas. Logos is the indestructible wisdom.
Logos was widely used in Greco-Roman culture and in Judaism. It varied in definition between these two.Term was used to describe intelligent principle of the universe. In septuagint translation of OT ,logos (davar in hebrew) was used to describe God's utterances , actions and messages of prophets to communicate with people.
Philo interpreted logos in his Doctrine of God as divine mind, form of forms idea of ideas or sum total of forms and ideas. Logos is the indestructible wisdom.
JJM
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through the son is implied it's rejected by them because the council of Nicea said only an authority equal to a ecumenical council could change it and they don't believe Papal primacy has that much authority or in any council after the schism.Quahom1 said:
JJM
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[font="]What ever the Father does the Son and the Holy Spirit because they always work in unison so yes the Son and Holy Spirit helped but it is attributed to the Father just like salvation is attributed to the Son even though the Father played just as big a role in it. [/font]Quahom1 said: