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Seems to me there is a question as to the commandments and how we as Christians should view them in this day and age.



  • Separating the Commandments from the statutes and ordinances.
Moses made several trips up and down Sinai. Not only did he receive the 10

Commandments he also received statutes and ordinances. There is a clear separation

all through out the Bible of these so as not to get them confused. I would like to focus this study on the Law The Ten Commandments.





EX 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,

EX 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

EX 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

EX 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

EX 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

EX 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

EX 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

EX 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

EX 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

EX 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

EX 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

EX 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

EX 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

EX 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.

EX 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.

EX 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

EX 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.




Are these the same Commandments mentioned in Revelation?

Re 12:17

And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ
 
yes I believe they are Basstian. I think it is pretty obvious the world does not really care about being faithful to the commandments. I believe the same book we have right now is the same book that will be opened at the last judgement.The world does not want to hear about Jesus or the bible. They have there own agenda about themselves. I believe this remnant is the seed of Israel, but I also think that it is in part refering to the engrafted church.
The times are just too mixed up for me to accept we live in a fairy tale world of love.
Idols, adultery, the Lords name in vain, MURDERs every single day...it is all there. we are all guilty of some of these things but I think the few who take his commandments to heart and love Him, and not treat them like just some traffic light law, are the remnant of his seed.

I think that is pretty ironic i posted the parable of the seed and the sower (the first sower) and you posted the remnant of the seed at the very same time. Right On brother:)
 
and if we were all living the law of love that GOD sent Jesus to teach us would this law of love not encompass all of the above naturally?

For if one is living in a state of supreme divine love the above issues/problems outlined would not come into existence.

I also saw yesterday that the root word for jealous was also mistranslated and it should have been zealous.

and does that law of love not begin with us his followers?

being love

kim xxx
 
and if we were all living the law of love that GOD sent Jesus to teach us would this law of love not encompass all of the above naturally?
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yes it does. but i do not see a whole world doing this. i see a remnant of the righteous seed trying and some half way trying. I see a lot many people in love with and worshipping themselves.

yes this is right. the difference in the OT and NT is Israel did not recieve the commandments into there heart. But sometimes I think the righteous seed was different and did seek to fulfil the law the best they could in there hearts.

There was a distinct seperation between man and God until after calvary. The OT sought the law after a carnal mind and it was just basic law like traffic laws. dont lie dont kill-dont run a red light. (so to speak)
after Jesus reconciled all things at Calvary, God then reconciled with man and would put His law into the hearts of those who recieve Him and the law would be a natural thing in the heart. Jesus brought a better covenant.
Israel was not that righteous when you really look at them. God was constantly angry with Israel. The priests were constantly delivering those sacrifices because it was almost impossible for them to please God by just a natural law in the flesh.

These 10 commandments were not abolished and it is not just about love. It ALSO about loving God and His commandments. We naturally keep them without even thinking twice when we accept Jesus and the Word of God and set our hearts in love and with the love of God.

This is also why there is the dragon (devil) is being extremely MAD at those who keep his commandments and is trying to persuade us not to accept the whole law and the whole word. God is not a liar, the world and the devil is a liar trying to snatch the truth and the law out of hearts.
 
Jeremiah31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

tHEY BROKE THE COVENANTS that God made by not keeping the law. We can do the same thing today if we are not careful.


This is future prophecy that covenant which would come with Jesus, this new THING was a person. A WOMAN SHALL COMPASS (SURROUND) A MAN.
Jesus is that man in this prophecy. Jesus was the NEW THING.

Verse 22 says
22 How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? for the LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.
 
Jesus View

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments
Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Mt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil
Mt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Pauls View

Ro 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Ro 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Ro 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man
Ro 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin

Peter's View
2pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

James view
Jas 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed
Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jas 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Jas 4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
Jas 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

John's View
1jo 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1jo 2:7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning
1jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1jo 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous



Ok I ask again is the Law of Love (The Commandments) The Love of God. The same From Sinai to Revelation.
Using the word love does not seperate you from the commandments of God but should draw you closer To Him.
SS your post did not even touch on the original question.
Are they the Same Law ? Or is God a Liar ?
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not;
Ps 89:34 My covenant will I not break, nor alter the thing that is gone out of my lips
 
Dear Basstian

Rev.Chapter 12

And there appeared a great wonder in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of 12 stars.

This description as always been given to divine mother down the ages.

Are they the same commandments I would say these and those established by Jesus. But the law of love eradicates the other's need for being because it is all tied up with the natural laws of the universe and how the electro-magnetics works.

being love

kim xx
 
Sacredstar said:
Dear Basstian

Rev.Chapter 12

And there appeared a great wonder in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of 12 stars.

This description as always been given to divine mother down the ages.

Are they the same commandments I would say these and those established by Jesus. But the law of love eradicates the other's need for being because it is all tied up with the natural laws of the universe and how the electro-magnetics works.

being love

kim xx
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To my understanding God is a spirit, not a universal electromagnetic. The woman is a collection of people who loved the truth, clothed in light and the love of God and who kept His commandments, not a divine mother.
We have to love his commandments and keep His commandments or we do not love Him.
The moon is the evil world of people in darkness who do not love God or keep His commandments, who is finally put at the feet of this woman.
These are revelations and yet to come.
Meanwhile we have a dragon on our butts 24/7 with a bunch of people following him who do not love God and despise those who keep the commandments of God.

The law of love does not eradicate them it expounds them and makes the law a delight. We can have love and act on love and still not keep the commandments and only please ourselves. Without faith it is impossible to please God. So even if we keep the commandments and have no faith in God....well there ya go.

It is just too complicated for me to explain when someone only sees it one way. I wish it were all the way you see it Starla Darling, but there is more than that to it.
I am not getting vacuumed into the universal + newage + physics phenonena but thanks for the invite.

Good luck guys. (teasing) I think I am going to parachute out of this one too.:) Pick me up when the fuel guage reads E.:)
 
I looked all through every Bible reference I have for electro-magnetics. Funny I found it no where. I did find an interesting verse I thought applied to that theory.

1co 3:19For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

I also did a search for Divine Mother the answer......

No verses found matching your search

I Did a search for Natural Law .....

No verses found matching your search

So I thought I really want to be fair and I did a search for Natural man.
1co 2:14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned

And I did a search on the Law of love
No verses found matching your search

Eradication of Gods Law I see that in the world today.

Pr 28:9He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.



Pr 28:26He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.

I am at a loss as to what to say. It seems SS that you cannot give me a straight answer that bears any resemblence to Gods Word. You quote it so eloquently when using it to lead people to mystical new age beliefs. But when confronted with the Law and real Love of God through adherence to His word and keeping the commandments which is the true Law of Love you hand me electro-magnetics as an answer. :confused:
 
Dear Basstian

Basstian said:
1. I looked all through every Bible reference I have for electro-magnetics. Funny I found it no where. I did find an interesting verse I thought applied to that theory.

2. I also did a search for Divine Mother the answer......

3. I Did a search for Natural Law .....

4. And I did a search on the Law of love
No verses found matching your search

5. Pr 28:26He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
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Dear Basstian

1. I have already explained to you on another thread why the spiritual laws and teachings were not included in the bible, it is clearly discussed in St Jerome's letters discussing what shall be included and what not and the reason why. He states that the intent of the Bible was to prove the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and that is ALL, hence why so many of the teachings of Jesus were not included. Its original intent was never to give the full information. I recommed that you read Jerome's letters in full there is much insight to be found there. But the laws of the universe are still to be found filtering through some of the parables e.g. 'reaping what you sow' is really about the law of cause and effect. Again I have already discussed this on other other threads and pointed to the meanings that can be found in scripture. I find it very interesting that Jesus talks about the 'Field' a lot in the bible and scientists also call it the 'Field' so I am going to look at this scripture in some depth when I get time.

2. Well as the Bible was put together by men I am not surprised. But it is clear in the untampered scriptures of the Essene, Gnostic and Dead Sea Scrolls. The Divine Feminine aspect of GOD.

The Beatitudes (4Q525)

Blessed is ......with a pure heart
and does not slander with his tongue.
Blessed are those who hold to her (Wisdom's) precepts
and do not hold to the ways of inquiity.
Blessed are those who rejoice in her,
and do not burst forth in ways of folly.
Blessed are those who seek her with pure hands
and do not pursue her with a treacherous heart.

Blessed is the man who has attained Wisdom,
and walks in the Law of the Most High.
He directs his heart towards her ways,
and restrains himself by hre corrections,
and always takes delight in her chastisements.
He does not forsake her when he sees distress,
not abandon her in time of strain.

He will not forget her (on the day of ) fear,
and will not despise her when his soul is afflicted.
For always he will meditate on her,
and in his distress he will consider (her?)
(He will place her) before his eyes
so as not to walk in the ways of (folly).

(Do not) forsake your inheritance to the nations
nor your portions to the strangers
Those who fear GOD observe her wisdom's ways
and walk in all her precepts
and do not reject her corrections

3. See 1. Jerome calls them 'Spiritual Laws'.

4. I have already provided scripture on this from the bible on another thread.

5. I can also provide scripture that contradicts this. But even when I provide the scripture that supports what I am sharing it is ignored, so seek and you shall find. If your intent is pure then GOD will show you.

Love beyond measure

Kim xxx
 
Luke 22:20
In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you."
 
A lot of what Sacred describes is also part of the Roman Catholic doctrine, and though not specifically part of the Holy Bible, (Latin Vulgate or King James, etc.,), it is part of other books of teaching that the church uses, particularly in certain geographical regions of the world, though not so much in say, the United States.

In the United States, however, there is a steady movement of Catholics that are considered "Charismatic Catholics", and without getting into too much detail, the esoteric is rather significant.

That doesn't mean that these holy writs take the place of the Bible, or even augment the Bible. They just help define the way of Roman Catholicism, for the parishners and believers of that denomination.

I'm not implying Sacred that you are catholic or anything else but who you are. I just understand much of what is being described here, because of my upbringing. Sometimes it can be a little unsettling for anyone not used to it.

v/r

Q
 
Dear Q

Thank you for your clarification can you share more with us? For I only know what I have been shown by the Holy Spirit I have not been to church service for many years, we did go to a high church of england but it was not catholic. I had no connection with the divine feminine until Mother Mary appeared before me.

being love

Kim xx
 
Sacredstar said:
Dear Q

Thank you for your clarification can you share more with us? For I only know what I have been shown by the Holy Spirit I have not been to church service for many years, we did go to a high church of england but it was not catholic. I had no connection with the divine feminine until Mother Mary appeared before me.

being love

Kim xx
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Hmm, yes Sacred, I'd be glad to. If you care to start a different thread specifically for Catholicism...

That way those that are interested, would post there, and those that are not interested, wouldn't have to read about it.

Seems like a fair deal :D

v/r

Q
 
Ok Sacred Star
and if we were all living the law of love that GOD sent Jesus to teach us would this law of love not encompass all of the above naturally?
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I agree Jesus Did teach that Love Fufils the Law He said "If you love me keep my commandments" and Clearly said He had not came to change the law. Because Him and the Father are of one mind when it comes to the law.

Are they the same commandments I would say these and those established by Jesus. But the law of love eradicates the other's need for being because it is all tied up with the natural laws of the universe and how the electro-magnetics works.
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Ok How after agreeing with the first quote How can I say that the law of love eradicates the old law and the Laws of Jesus??? that is a direct contradiction.

The thread was started to for me to find out how my brothers and sisters in Christ feel about the ten commandments. Not to argue something that draws no inspiration from the scripture and has no meaning for me as a fundamental Christian.
Regardless of how much of your spiritual/mystical/newage/the power of me doctrine you post I will continue to look only toward Christ and His word for my truth. It doesnt contradict its self in 66 books not once.

My question again Christians is "Are the commandments mentioned in Rev. the same as the ones given in Ex."
 
Basstian said:
Regardless of how much of your spiritual/mystical/newage/the power of me doctrine you post I will continue to look only toward Christ and His word for my truth. [/b]
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And so you should for Christ is in your heart and GOD requires no separation from you.

Blessings in abundance

Kim xx
 
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