Vissarion: the Siberian Christ

ppetrov said:
However, one should not try to judge about someone's Teaching looking at His followers only...
Hi ppetrov,

I read all the documentation available on the net before my previous post. Unfortunately, for some reason, the link you gave at the beginning doesn't work. It looks like somebody had tried to modify it and it can't be opened. :mad:

Actually, Vissarion *encourages* people to think by themselves.
BUT: It is my understanding that people who are weaker (both intellectually and spiritually) always look for some "simple and strict rules", that's why He sometimes uses this form of communication...
I'm afraid I'm not the 'sheep type', so yes, it's difficult for me to realize why others need rules to go ahead with their life. ;)

Please check out the following interview by Vissarion given for the American spiritual magazine "What Is Enlightenment?":
http://www.vissarion.org/?language=en&menu=word&text_album_id=6
Please give me some time to read the info.

I really wish everything to be as simple as you think (i.e. yet "another totalitarian despot", as you write below), but... well... this time things are a little bit more complicated...
Well, I don't know anything simple about religion.

I myself spent a LOT of time reading and analyzing this event before I become fully aware He is the One who He pretends to be... But OK, everyone has his/her own path to the Truth.
The reincarnation is not typical for Christians. So, I cannot belive he is the reincarnation of Jesus. He could see the Christ in him, but in this case we are talking about something else.

Vissarion was born on January 14, 1961.Anyway, please note that even *if* He was born on January 26th, your remark proves... nothing! :)
I was reffering to another person (N. Ceausescu). I know he was atheist and maybe the two persons cannot be compared. I was thinking more at a cult of personality.

I have found very strange a person who decided to change the calender as simply as Vissarion did. After all there is not much time since his revelation. Again, let me check the link first and maybe I can find some answers there.

I do not judge anybody. I belive each of us is UNIQUE and has his/her own path to follow.

Regards,

alexa
 
Hello ppetrov,

Thank you for the link. It helped me to make the conclusion.

I believe Vissarion belives he is the return of Jesus Christ.

Please don't take it personal, but I do not believe he is who he pretends to be.

On the whole, it is those who do not understand what is happening with themselves and fool themselves very sincerely.
This applies to him, even he doesn't realise it.

Regards,

alexa
 
alexa said:
Thank you for the link. It helped me to make the conclusion.

I believe Vissarion belives he is the return of Jesus Christ.

Please don't take it personal, but I do not believe he is who he pretends to be.

Quote:

"On the whole, it is those who do not understand what is happening with themselves and fool themselves very sincerely."

This applies to him, even he doesn't realise it.

Well, what can I say...

You read a very brief interview and you already made a conclusion. Congratulations, then: this is your choice!

I decided to take the "hard path", and I read a LOT. (Also, I met Vissarion in person and I lived in Siberia for 3 months...)

Another quote from Vissarion's interview:

In order to bring someone to spirituality, certain references will not be enough. It is necessary that a great deal be studied in detail and that there be help to learn how to fulfill this great deal. Only then we can already talk about spirituality. It will not be enough to mention the short commandments of love where man is called upon to love one's neighbor like oneself and to love one's enemies. The now announced assertion, complementing these commandments in greater depth, will not suffice either: "From now on the person of faith should become incapable of even thinking bad of someone no matter the circumstances in progress. He or she ought to learn how to feel the pain of a broken twig even."
To succeed in solving the task assigned by the Great God a whole Doctrine is necessary that helps to look at these tasks and recognize them right. In this case - it is the Last Testament, expressed already in the four thousand pages of six books. And it is not finished. It will keep unfolding further because it contains the analysis of the constantly emerging specific life problems of man about how to build society, how to develop creativity and so forth.


Anyway, I do not want to FORCE anyone to accept my own faith and conclusion -- this will be wrong, of course.

It is only a little bit sad to see so many people ignoring Him instead of seeking the Truth all the way long...

I still hope some will decide to return to this topic later when they realize this Event needs more careful study before one decides to make his/her final decision...

Hopefully,
P.P.
 
Could this be the son of God? (Daily Telegraph, Sep. 9, 2003)

The following link might be of potential interest to all readers of this thread:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2003/09/01/bvjesus30.xml

For your convinience below I am attaching the full text of this article.

Best regards,
P.P.

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Could this be the son of God?
(Filed: 01/09/2003)


The man they call Jesus of Siberia came to Britain looking for disciples to follow him up a mountainside. Candida Crewe was intrigued


A 41-year-old man dressed in a coarse, red velvet robe with scratchy gold braid takes his seat on a fine purple banquette in the Groucho Club. He wears thick socks under his sandals and carefully combs his long flowing hair before sitting down.

He smiles beatifically and speaks very slowly and quietly, in Russian. Even by the Groucho's standards, he looks unusual. Asked how he would like to be addressed, he insists, calmly, that he doesn't mind.

The man sitting opposite me is known variously as Vissarion, the Teacher, and Jesus of Siberia, and is indeed a dead ringer for the iconic images of Christ - beard and all. He claims to have around 80,000 devoted followers worldwide, all of whom believe that he really is the Messiah, so, despite my natural scepticism, it seems important not to make a faux pas, just in case. His profound expression, serene body language - lots of holy hand gestures - and his very long pauses before answering questions demand that he be taken seriously.

There are beads of sweat on his brow. Asked if he is finding London too warm, he replies, solemnly: "Just because there is lots of snow, it doesn't mean it's cold back home in Siberia."

Vissarion is in England for a week, staying in a chintzy B&B in north London, doing a bit of sightseeing, giving a talk at the London School of Economics, and meeting contacts in Glastonbury - all in the hope of attracting British disciples who might be open to his particular form of enlightenment. "I go where people are waiting to hear me," he explains.

A Bulgarian banker in London, who is giving up his job to live close to Vissarion, has paid for the trip, and Channel 4 are making a film about it. But the English, it seems, are proving difficult nuts to crack. He has been greeted not by crowds of people wanting to be saved, but by cynics who want answers to such questions as: when will the next comet hit the Earth? (Vissarion doesn't know, but acknowledges, with a smile, that such an apocalypse is inevitable)

Despite the lukewarm reception, Vissarion, born Sergei Torop in 1961, is determined to spread his gospel. In a nutshell, this appears to mix some elements from the Orthodox Church with a little Buddhism here, Taoism there, plus a large chunk of 21st-century environmentalism. One observer has described the teachings as an unholy blend of cosmology, Christianity and yoga and others have voiced fears for the safety of Vissarion's most devoted followers. Many religious sects have flourished in Russia in recent years, but the Vissarionites are notable for their arduous way of life and their utter dedication to the leader. Outsiders remain sceptical and find him, at best, an enigmatic new-age charmer, at worst, a sinister nutcase (although, according to the Russian Orthodox Church, he isn't siphoning off his followers' money), but the man must have something.

Vissarion lives 4,000ft and a four-hour walk up an icy mountain in Siberia. This is reached along a cratered dirt track and is a six-hour drive from the town of Abakan - which is itself a three-day, 2,300-mile train ride from Moscow. Five thousand of his most ardent followers (including his mother, who initially considered sending him to a psychiatrist when he told her he was the son of God) have joined him in what he has described as an "experimental ecological settlement" in 250 hectares of woodland. Among Vissarion's disciples, he claims, there are Germans, Italians, Russians, Bulgarians, Cubans and Swedes; many of them former teachers, doctors and educated urban professionals who have sold their homes and given up the comfortable city life to be close to their leader and live the peculiar existence that he expounds.

This is not a choice any person would make lightly. Temperatures in Siberia are often in the minus twenties or thirties; homes in the settlement are made of wood, with no central heating, electricity, or any means of communication with the outside world. The followers eat a strict vegan diet, which consists mainly of bread, berries and mushrooms. Breast-feeding mothers and infants are allowed sour milk products. Alcohol is permitted only in strict moderation.

"The way it is consumed in today's society is not welcome," Vissarion says, sipping a glass of water. "But there's not an absolute prohibition among my followers. It is used for medical reasons. If someone has huge psychological pressure and their nervous system is suffering, then it's possible to recommend the use of some dry and clean wine."

He does not deny that he enjoyed a glass of beer on the plane from Moscow to London. Does he not miss such pleasures at home? "Only at times when there's a certain inner feeling for that particular vitamin," he says.

Although never a regular churchgoer, nor familiar with the Bible, Vissarion says he realised he was the son of God and chose his current way of life at the age of 29. His parents (who separated when he was a child) worked in the building trade. He had always been a solitary figure, even at school, and studied engineering before joining the army, where he "learnt a lot about stupidity". Later, he worked in various factories and as a policeman in Minusinsk, Siberia.

"A lot of my colleagues wondered how on earth I ended up becoming a policeman," he says. "My behaviour was very different to other officers: I was often pensive and I wanted to forgive people and free them too easily. But it was an amazing experience. It taught me a lot of things I would never have learnt otherwise.

"I couldn't believe such things were possible in people. Alcoholism, for example. But after five years, I felt I couldn't go on as a policeman. I knew I had to stop, even if it meant I couldn't feed my children."

In the spring of 1990, Vissarion had what he calls "an awakening".

"I saw a programme on television that showed lots of destroyed churches and headstones, and this prompted me into action. Everything in me came out like a storm; I had this great thirst to transform everything in the world so that there wasn't so much grief. My understanding was that humankind really must start to live in a different way. A person must lose the capability to think about bad things, and I know how to teach people to do this. So people who follow my word are able to live for the better.

"I know the entire law of human development and the root of mistakes in human society. People are very, very scared of each other and in order to unite them, we have to think up a system that must do away with any egotistical thoughts. I'm the one who needs to form the future of mankind."

Such immodest aspirations became firmly fixed in his mind, and he worked tirelessly to set up his own self-sufficient society on a mountain in Petropavlovka, Siberia. Money is not used in his settlement; schools have been established; wood from the forest is chopped down for building houses; his followers grow vegetables and bake their own bread. Vissarion's wife and the mother of his six children, Luba, makes all of his clothes. The man is well looked after.

He met Luba, a kindergarten teacher, when he was 23, and realised that he wanted to spend his life with her. Despite his long study of human nature, the one area he hadn't explored, he says, was women.

"She was the one woman who would open the whole world of women to me," he says. "Through her, I knew I could understand all women; what women's weaknesses are. There are now lots of women in love with me."

When women fall in love with him, it is, he says, "more complex for me to help them. I feel more responsible in my communication with them. If there are demands made upon me, then I feel, within me, the necessity to distance myself in accordance with the law of harmony.

"For me, all people are equally close and I carry large responsibility for them all. So it is, I need to be free. My wife is now learning how correctly to see and regard me, to understand she's not the only woman in my life. There are a thousand others!"

After another sip of water, Jesus of Siberia is on his way, to spread his gospel elsewhere. So far, it's unclear whether he has managed to find any new followers in Britain who are willing to up sticks to the freezing mountains of Siberia for a diet of berries, mushrooms and quasi-religious mumbo-jumbo. But he remains characteristically unfazed, smiling to the last. Asked if he has enjoyed visiting London, he replies, "I don't have such answers to life. I could be anywhere."

© Copyright of Telegraph Group Limited 2004.
 
aged hippy said:
On the Saturday or Sunday in question (4 - 5 weeks ago) i re-discovered a web-site that i'd done a bit of reading on about six months ago, the Gnostic web-site. This time at that web-site i found texts i had no idea existed, allegedly the original form of Christianity, as Jesus taught it to his disciples. And so i down-loaded some of them, and read them over the course of Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. I was on holiday. Some of them, especially the basic teachings i found astounding.

Hmmmm, there seems to be an active Gnostic presence on these boards; can you share the address of this "Gnostic web-site" to which you refer?
 
Re: Could this be the son of God? (Daily Telegraph, Sep. 9, 2003)

"She was the one woman who would open the whole world of women to me," he says. "Through her, I knew I could understand all women; what women's weaknesses are. There are now lots of women in love with me."

When women fall in love with him, it is, he says, "more complex for me to help them. I feel more responsible in my communication with them. If there are demands made upon me, then I feel, within me, the necessity to distance myself in accordance with the law of harmony.

"For me, all people are equally close and I carry large responsibility for them all. So it is, I need to be free. My wife is now learning how correctly to see and regard me, to understand she's not the only woman in my life. There are a thousand others!"

Hmm, though I haven't read any of the links yet, what I've read about the guy in this thread sounded intriguing and rather appealing, until I came across the above passages. It could be that something is being lost in translation, or maybe it's just my dirty mind, but this sounds to me an awful lot like...well, do I really need to spell it out? If what's going on here is really what I'm taking it to mean, this guy's credibility has just sunk beneath the basement as far as I'm concerned. If one of his followers who posts here could direct me to a quote or article to counteract what this passage is implying, I am quite willing to have my mind changed and to reconsider the man's sincerity. Short of that, I've learned all I need to know.
 
Hi Brian, Rebecka and others,

I came accross this forum after searching Vissarion Christ, and seeing a documentary from Vice on my homepage. I do believe Rebecka, you were interviewed in this documentary? How fascinating to find you on here as well! I too believe this was very coincidental.

I am very fascinated in Vissarion and beleive almost everything he teaches from what I've seen so far. I have not read the book "The Last Hope" however, and am going to search for it. I am glad I have found this website because I was wondering what the name of his book was. Thank you for the information.

I hope to be able to visit Siberia one day, and hopefully have my boyfriend with me. Although he believes that Vissarion is a false prophet, I beleive he will change his mind. [let love be light][/let love be light]

Best Wishes,
Miranda
 
Hello everybody!

My name is Rebecka, I'm from Sweden, now living in the community of Vissarion in Siberia, since two years.

I think that "The last hope" is an extremely important book. One reason that it is difficult to read is that the translation is not satisfacting. There were russians who made the translation - they did a great job but it's not easy to translate into a language which is not your native.

Actually I am trying to do some corrections to the translation myself, but as I too am not a native english speaker, it's hard to know how close I get. But I speak russian, so I can read the original and compare so that the meaning in itself is correct.

IMPORTANT: If we could find a native english speaking person who would be ready to read through the book, and make corrections in the english grammar, it would be of big importance. Even greater would be if we could find a person who also knows russian and could check with the original. I send my wish out into the universe....

I think an other reason that "The last hope" is difficult to read is that the information in it is very compact. You read answers to the questions of who man is, our place in the universe, other civilizations, about God and the creator of Universe, good and evil in man, the reason of illness, the body/soul problem, and how to find our way to harmony. And there is no filling up inbetween, it's just written short and concisely, right off without chapters or anything.

While reading there arises a protest in you, because if what it says is true then....you will have to change your whole view of the world.

I was sceptical and didn't know what to think about Vissarion for a pretty long time. But things happened which made me believe that he is the one he says he is. And what he is writing is not a message from universe, it is the knowledge he has got in himself.

I think it's important to do a qualified english version of "The last hope", because people should get a chance to read it and make the choise, if they want to believe in it or not.

Love and my best wishes, Rebecka


Hi Rebecka !

Thanks for sharing experience! how can I join this community? can you explain a little about joining Vissarion community?. will you continue to stay there in community?. what activity do you like most to engage yourself in there?. Please explain.

Thank you !

(J. Mark)
 
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