Does anyone know the age of the most ancient of these books and how much of the book is intact?
I'm not totaly sure But I think the dead sea scrolls are the oldest we have. I'd google it.
Personally, I wouldn't put Moses and Jesus on the same level
Both Had a big part to play in history(traditionaly speaking). Both according to tradition played apart in setting people free. Both are only recognized by their followers, but not by other parties involved in their own unique situation. As I agree both are on different levels, but both play very important roles. Kinda like a floor of a building and a roof.
I am speaking of rabbinic tradition. The same tradition that says that Moses wrote the Pentateuch is also decidedly quiet on any existence of Jesus.
Tradition meaning the Talmud? I just read its history (
Talmud - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ) WOW It would not surprise me if You found any Christianity stuff in their. From the Pope Forbidding it, to the jews rewriting it. Man what a terrible History and sad. But We both Know the world has never fully accepted either religion to its purist form, and mostly persecuted us, or we each other. But Some of what I've read, would confirm to me why their is not much writing of Christ if any in the Talmud. Being that the Christians of that day didnt seem very Christ like. Of course not much has changed
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I also did a google search on Christ in the Talmud, and couldnt find any middle ground all was pretty much one way or the other with hate and anger in their writings about either Christ or the Talmud.......
But I did find a Talmud sight which doesnt seem hatefull
The Talmud (Translated by Michael L. Rodkinson) ....
Could I get one of you guys to glance at it and tell me if it is cosure: OR maybe one of you guys Recognize this guy? I am interested in this, beucase before I came in here I never knew their was a talmud aside from tradition of the elders and the books of the old testament.
One thing that supports Moses' actual existence is that he penned five books. Jesus never wrote a thing (at least that we have record of).
Jesus lived to be 32 or 33, and was only in his ministry for 3 years, and was pretty much hated by the scribes and preist. That would kinda of make it a little hard to write and publish a book in that era. But their was a lot of his deciples writtings about him after words. Moses lived much longer, and wasnt totally hated, though I'm sure he musta wondered a few times
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Anyways being that we have gotten off topic, we may have to agree to disagree on certian things, but I have learned a lot. And found some new reading material
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. THANX VERY MUCH.
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But maybe we should start a discussion similar to this on the compare section if their is not one?
Thanx guys