Why did Jesus have to die?

[wil]

Interesting discussion, I think elme was refering to being One God, whether you use the name G-d, YHWH, Spirit, Universal Consciousness, Allah, Great Father, Mother Earth, Krishna, etc. We are referring to the creator, the One God. If one wishes to discuss intricacies like Trinity v. Monotheism or Elohim v. Yahweh or Jesus v. Christ those are all different from what I read from elme.

And it is also true that discussion disintigrates when we go back and forth spouting the same thing. I always like in Covey's 7 habits, seek first to understand, then to be understood. I do find it amusing that when one indicates that the other always has to get the last word in...is actually attempting to get in the last word..since it hasn't happened here, I am effectively offending no one accept those who choose to take offense.

Life is good, Jesus died so we could have a few millenia of lively discussion, martyr, prophecy, sacrificial messiah, king of the jews... He nothing short of told Judas to do what he had to do.. I find it enlightening that Judas got the bread (the body, or the material earthly thought), but not the wine (the blood, or the spiritual heavenly wisdom)

namaste,

 

[mee]

if that were true, then jesus died for no reason, and the holy spirit is not needed.

btw, that is an old conversation mee, i said the words "jehova god" are not found together. the point was by putting those those words together, jw's change the meaning of the word from a trinity god, to a single god by himself. but i dont care to continue discussing that if its ok with u.

whats the KJV in psalm 83;18 got to do with JW Seek, and you will find that the bible tells us that Jehovah is the most high .the bible never goes out of date the name may be pushed into the back ground by those who do not recognize it ,but not by those who make his name known. so ok if discussing the name is not to your likeing, so be it.

 

[elme]

if that were true, then jesus died for no reason, and the holy spirit is not needed.

btw, that is an old conversation mee, i said the words "jehova god" are not found together. the point was by putting those those words together, jw's change the meaning of the word from a trinity god, to a single god by himself. but i dont care to continue discussing that if its ok with u.

whether i believe jesus was crucified and died for our salvation or not.... the Creator is. we see it in the Creation!
God is.
the Father the Son and Holy Spirit was explained in the analogy of a vessel of water and the two glasses being filled with water from that same vessel.... being the holy Spirit and Son being the same substance as the Creator, God.

so what...... i don't believe jesus is God, then i don't know God?
i believe jesus was filled with God. we become filled by the holy spirit.
not three separate entities. One concept.

i do not wish to upset anyone here.... just a question.... a concern
i cannot know for certain that the bible i read today is translated as near to its meaning of its original language of revelation. if i could only read the original transcripts......
it's scary to think that soooo many have had a hand in the version of the Book we have today. can someone tell me how it works?
does a group decide that they're going to make the Book more comprehensive and easier to understand by updating the lingo?

God is in my sharing these ideas with you and Loving all here. because God is Love. God is I am
How can we be wrong when we feel the presence of our Creator in our lives?

it's all really intricate and delicate and yet simple.

much love,

 

[BlaznFattyz]

whether i believe jesus was crucified and died for our salvation or not.... the Creator is. we see it in the Creation!
God is.
the Father the Son and Holy Spirit was explained in the analogy of a vessel of water and the two glasses being filled with water from that same vessel.... being the holy Spirit and Son being the same substance as the Creator, God.

so what...... i don't believe jesus is God, then i don't know God?
i believe jesus was filled with God. we become filled by the holy spirit.
not three separate entities. One concept.

i do not wish to upset anyone here.... just a question.... a concern
i cannot know for certain that the bible i read today is translated as near to its meaning of its original language of revelation. if i could only read the original transcripts......
it's scary to think that soooo many have had a hand in the version of the Book we have today. can someone tell me how it works?
does a group decide that they're going to make the Book more comprehensive and easier to understand by updating the lingo?

God is in my sharing these ideas with you and Loving all here. because God is Love. God is I am
How can we be wrong when we feel the presence of our Creator in our lives?

it's all really intricate and delicate and yet simple.

much love,

to know god one must know his son, to know gods love one must know his son, to know gods mercy and grace is through christ in which we are saved, and it is this reason god manifested himself in the flesh to die for our sins.

Old testament
"I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour." Isaiah 43:11
New Testament
...the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. 1 John 4:14
...the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour. Titus 1:4
...our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. II Peter 3:18

If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."John 14:7

 

[Bandit]

so what...... i don't believe jesus is God, then i don't know God?
i believe jesus was filled with God. we become filled by the holy spirit.
not three separate entities. One concept.,

we see this the same. God is one entity & Jesus was a man. just a regular man like us. but the part i dont understand is everyone i meet who sees that Jesus was a man, always makes Jesus less than what he really is.
i just dont understand how it got this way.
Jesus is alive and making intercession for us to the one true God for all who believe.

i do not wish to upset anyone here.... just a question.... a concern
i cannot know for certain that the bible i read today is translated as near to its meaning of its original language of revelation. if i could only read the original transcripts......
it's scary to think that soooo many have had a hand in the version of the Book we have today. can someone tell me how it works?
does a group decide that they're going to make the Book more comprehensive and easier to understand by updating the lingo?

God is in my sharing these ideas with you and Loving all here. because God is Love. God is I am
How can we be wrong when we feel the presence of our Creator in our lives?

it's all really intricate and delicate and yet simple.

much love,

i also agree with this except for the bible part. the bible does not scare me. I love it & am thankful to God for it, because i would feel very lost in the world without it.
i believe in the bible more than anything & that God was involved in the whole process. i dont think changing versions is necessary because i dont see where updating the lingo makes it any more comprehensive. God transcends & speaks through the scriptures, i know He does & has many times for me.
i wish i could explain to you how it works, but it just does for me. maybe over time we can have some good discussions about it.

 

[Postmaster]

Awaiting_the_fifth if God is so powerful why does he allow pain and death in the first place?

 

[mee]

Awaiting_the_fifth if God is so powerful why does he allow pain and death in the first place?

because the first pair wanted it , and Goddid not make us robots he gave us free will
That is why, just as through one man (Adam)sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned ............. romans 5;12.seems that Adam did not listen to the warnings did he why blame God for something that was our own doing