suffering is near its end

[mee]

Every religious person, Jew or Christian, is criticizing Israel for NOT being a spiritual nation, for being too secularised.
Some religious Jews don't even accept the state of Israel, because it has been created by men and not by God.

God does not nolonger use just one litral fleshly nation to do his will, but men from all nations are Gods people
This is why I say to YOU, The kingdom of God will be taken from YOU and be given to a nation producing its fruits.....matthew 21;4

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female; for YOU are all one [person] in union with Christ Jesus. Moreover, if YOU belong to Christ, YOU are really Abraham’s seed, heirs with reference to a promise....Galations 3;28-29

But YOU are "a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that YOU should declare abroad the excellencies" of the one that called YOU out of darkness into his wonderful light....1 peter 2;9

At this Peter opened his mouth and said: "For a certainty I perceive that God is not partial, but in every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him....acts 10 34-35

 

[mee]

yes all suffering is soon to end as the bible promises.the opportunity is open to people living today to have what Adam lost—perfect human life, free from suffering, in a paradise earth. What a generous provision that is!

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. 2 I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: "Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away."​

5 And the One seated on the throne said: "Look! I am making all things new." Also, he says: "Write, because these words are faithful and true ...revelation 21;1-5
There are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his [Jehovah God’s] promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell." (2 Peter 3:13) What grand prospects lay just ahead! Life on a paradise earth can be your joyous privilege. (Luke 23:43) Therefore, do not let present-day suffering embitter you. Instead, look to the future with optimism. Place your hope and confidence in God’s new world so near at hand. yes deliverance is at hand for those who want it. do you not think it will be great to never have to go to a funeral ?

 

[mee]

But even if our current age ended tonight, there is still a thousand and some years to go before total transformation of Heaven and Earth.

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Q

yes this is true, it will take that long for us to get perfect, but the old devil will not be around to try and put the spanner in the works like he is now. satan the devil is the ruler of the world at the momment 1 john 5;19 and he is behind many many things, but with him out the way just think what can be accomplished.
Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feet. 26 As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing. 27 For [God] "subjected all things under his feet." But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that it is with the exception of the one who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.1 corinthians 15;24-28............. yes even the age old enemy Death is to be brought to nothing ,now that really will be an end to suffering . everyone will have everlasting life.

 

[Quahom1]

yes this is true, it will take that long for us to get perfect, but the old devil will not be around to try and put the spanner in the works like he is now. satan the devil is the ruler of the world at the momment 1 john 5;19 and he is behind many many things, but with him out the way just think what can be accomplished.
Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feet. 26 As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing. 27 For [God] "subjected all things under his feet." But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that it is with the exception of the one who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.1 corinthians 15;24-28............. yes even the age old enemy Death is to be brought to nothing ,now that really will be an end to suffering . everyone will have everlasting life.

Either Jesus is the king of this world, or Satan is the ruler. You can't have both at the same time. And even if the tribulation occured today, there is still seven years of hell, for the world to go through, the likes of which have never been known before, and but for the direct intervention of God, not one man would be left standing.

So, suffering is not near its end. There is still a fixed time that it will continue. And during that time, people will change. Some for the better, and some for the worse.

I also suspect that though the Holy Spirit is withdrawn from the World at large during this time, like any war, there will be rebels, and the Spirit of God will be with these few...only there purpose is not to destroy the enemy, but to save the lost.

Rebels or the Resistence does not beat an army. An army beats an army. Rebels simply disrupt, cause distraction, hinder the enemy's advancement.

Satan can't kill man. He has to get man to kill man. So, he will get men of power to do his dirty work, and will.

Interesting thing my grandmother once told me. Satan is more intelligent than man. But man is stronger than Satan. What man needs then, is a leader that is more intelligent than Satan, and man can do the rest.

I think the armies of God, will be dominated by man as the soldiers, Mee. The difference between the two armies will be the influence of the finite (Satan), against the influence of the Infinite (God).

I also opine that God will deliberately use a numerically inferior army, to defeat a numerically superior army...and do it in a single day...(God's army will be 1/3rd the size of Satan's, yet it will prevail in victory).

It will be the bloodiest battle the world has ever known. Not only the blood of the body, but the blood of the soul and spirit, will be spilt. That is true death.

So much for your concept of not fighting for what is right...eh?

v/r

Q

 

[mee]

Either Jesus is the king of this world, or Satan is the ruler. You can't have both at the same time. And even if the tribulation occured today, there is still seven years of hell, for the world to go through, the likes of which have never been known before, and but for the direct intervention of God, not one man would be left standing.

So, suffering is not near its end. There is still a fixed time that it will continue. And during that time, people will change. Some for the better, and some for the worse.

I also suspect that though the Holy Spirit is withdrawn from the World at large during this time, like any war, there will be rebels, and the Spirit of God will be with these few...only there purpose is not to destroy the enemy, but to save the lost.

Rebels or the Resistence does not beat an army. An army beats an army. Rebels simply disrupt, cause distraction, hinder the enemy's advancement.

Satan can't kill man. He has to get man to kill man. So, he will get men of power to do his dirty work, and will.

Interesting thing my grandmother once told me. Satan is more intelligent than man. But man is stronger than Satan. What man needs then, is a leader that is more intelligent than Satan, and man can do the rest.

I think the armies of God, will be dominated by man as the soldiers, Mee. The difference between the two armies will be the influence of the finite (Satan), against the influence of the Infinite (God).

I also opine that God will deliberately use a numerically inferior army, to defeat a numerically superior army...and do it in a single day...(God's army will be 1/3rd the size of Satan's, yet it will prevail in victory).

It will be the bloodiest battle the world has ever known. Not only the blood of the body, but the blood of the soul and spirit, will be spilt. That is true death.

So much for your concept of not fighting for what is right...eh?

v/r

Q

I am glad that Jehovah does not expect his people to fight in a litral way, they are taught peace, man thinks up many plans , but christians are taught by Jehovah , and they are hated for that, the war of Armageddon is Gods war, and he will put an end to the wicked ones , and then suffering will be a thing of the past.
The warfare true christians wage is strictly spiritual. Paul wrote: "The weapons of our warfare are not fleshly, but powerful by God for overturning strongly entrenched things."—2 Corinthians 10:4; 1 Timothy 1:18.
Chief among "the weapons of their warfare" is "the sword of the spirit, that is, God’s word." (Ephesians 6:17) This sword is powerful. "The word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit, and of joints and their marrow, and is able to discern thoughts and intentions of the heart." (Hebrews 4:12) By using this sword, Christians are able to overturn "reasonings and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God." (2 Corinthians 10:5) It enables them to expose false doctrines, harmful practices, and philosophies that reflect human rather than divine wisdom.—1 Corinthians 2:6-8; Ephesians 6:11-13.
In 1914, Jehovah’s appointed time had arrived to establish the Messianic Kingdom and to authorize it to wage active war against Satan’s system. The allotted time period for humans to experiment with man-made rule without divine interference expired at that time. Instead of accepting God’s Messianic Ruler, most people continue to reject him, even as most did in the first century. (Acts 28:27) Consequently, in the face of Kingdom opposition, Christ has been forced to "go subduing in the midst of [his] enemies." (Psalm 110:2) Happily, Revelation 6:2 promises that he will "complete his conquest." This he will do during "the war of the great day of God the Almighty . . . , called in Hebrew Har–Magedon."—Revelation 16:14, 16.

 

[cyberpi]

All the evidence shows that we are nearing the end of mans tragic experiment in independence from God. It has been clearly demonstated that rulership by humans apart from God can never suceed. Only Gods rulership can bring peace, happiness, perfect health, and everlasting -life. So Jehovahs toleration of wickedness and suffering is nearing its end .Soon God will intervene in human affairs by destroying this entire unsatisfactory system of things.

Who wrote your religious beliefs?

but the question is do we want to do Gods will ?

You have described God's will and so I ask you, is that God's will or yours? Who wrote it?

 

[BlaznFattyz]

"It enables them to expose false doctrines, harmful practices, and philosophies that reflect human rather than divine wisdom.—1 Corinthians 2:6-8; Ephesians 6:11-13.
.... In 1914, Jehovah’s appointed time had arrived..."

ummm, need i say anything here?!!

 

[jiii]

All the evidence shows that we are nearing the end of mans tragic experiment in independence from God. It has been clearly demonstated that rulership by humans apart from God can never suceed. Only Gods rulership can bring peace, happiness, perfect health, and everlasting -life.

People have been talking about the 'tragic end' since long before Christianity was even around. In most religious texts I've read, there is some note, somewhere, that essentially says," This is the degenerate age." People have been saying that for thousands of years...yet, here we are. It seems that as soon as we developed enough self-consciousness to write about our world, we have been very much preoccupied with the idea of ourselves completely destroying it in one way or another.

Frankly, I can think of many times that this would've seemed realistic, but only in light of a myopic outlook on the world. For instance, I'm sure that when the Roman Empire, in all it's glory, was falling...many people thought to themselves," This is surely the end of the world!" The same could be said about the collapse of most empires, in which billions of people, collectively throughout the course of human history, have been lead to believe that the world was 'finally falling apart for good this time.' More recent thinking says that the same thing happens when cosmologies, that is, systems of ideas about the Universe commonly held, begin to fall apart. I think that Quahom1 was right on with his post suggesting it's less of an 'end' and more of a 'beginning'.

Furthermore, the idea of the world coming to an end is not exactly 'exclusive' to Christianity. Many religions discuss such things. The Hindus speak of 'cali yuga', and their cosmology suggests that we are, in fact, in the throws of this age of destruction. The ancient Norsemen spoke of 'Ragnarok', the eventual obliteration of the world.

The idea of the end of the world, or at least the 'human' world, is a common theme in religions. Frankly, the concept of the end of mankind is obviously a very interesting idea, because it implies that if things are going to 'get better' (whatever that exactly means), we must all pull together. It's an important message, but I don't think it was intended to strike fear into the hearts of men and convince them that the world really was going to end.

 

[flowperson]

jiii:

Very well put jiii ;and Q, you are absolutely correct. Endings are also contiguous with beginnings. The only problem is...most of us are too dense to look through the smoke and fire to see and recognize the new beginnings of the new future.

Alpha and Omega exist in the same place in time and space. Scientists call this a singularity. Jesus' life and death was likely a singularity. Stem cells are analogous to this concept also. See why things are so confusing when it comes to belief ?

flow....

 

[Quahom1]

jiii:

Very well put jiii ;and Q, you are absolutely correct. Endings are also contiguous with beginnings. The only problem is...most of us are too dense to look through the smoke and fire to see and recognize the new beginnings of the new future.

Alpha and Omega exist in the same place in time and space. Scientists call this a singularity. Jesus' life and death was likely a singularity. Stem cells are analogous to this concept also. See why things are so confusing when it comes to belief ?

flow....

Hmmm, any firefighter worth his salt will tell you, in order to see through smoke and flames, requires a good thermal imager. However one has to turn it on and use it correctly for it to be affective. The Word of God is just like a thermal imager. But one needs to apply it in its entirety, in order to see clearly...

v/r

Q

 

[mee]

Who wrote your religious beliefs?


You have described God's will and so I ask you, is that God's will or yours? Who wrote it?

its all in the bible .

 

[mee]

"It enables them to expose false doctrines, harmful practices, and philosophies that reflect human rather than divine wisdom.—1 Corinthians 2:6-8; Ephesians 6:11-13.
.... In 1914, Jehovah’s appointed time had arrived..."

ummm, need i say anything here?!!

the bible brings many things to light .

 

[mee]

People have been talking about the 'tragic end' since long before Christianity was even around. In most religious texts I've read, there is some note, somewhere, that essentially says," This is the degenerate age." People have been saying that for thousands of years...yet, here we are. It seems that as soon as we developed enough self-consciousness to write about our world, we have been very much preoccupied with the idea of ourselves completely destroying it in one way or another.

Frankly, I can think of many times that this would've seemed realistic, but only in light of a myopic outlook on the world. For instance, I'm sure that when the Roman Empire, in all it's glory, was falling...many people thought to themselves," This is surely the end of the world!" The same could be said about the collapse of most empires, in which billions of people, collectively throughout the course of human history, have been lead to believe that the world was 'finally falling apart for good this time.' More recent thinking says that the same thing happens when cosmologies, that is, systems of ideas about the Universe commonly held, begin to fall apart. I think that Quahom1 was right on with his post suggesting it's less of an 'end' and more of a 'beginning'.

Furthermore, the idea of the world coming to an end is not exactly 'exclusive' to Christianity. Many religions discuss such things. The Hindus speak of 'cali yuga', and their cosmology suggests that we are, in fact, in the throws of this age of destruction. The ancient Norsemen spoke of 'Ragnarok', the eventual obliteration of the world.

The idea of the end of the world, or at least the 'human' world, is a common theme in religions. Frankly, the concept of the end of mankind is obviously a very interesting idea, because it implies that if things are going to 'get better' (whatever that exactly means), we must all pull together. It's an important message, but I don't think it was intended to strike fear into the hearts of men and convince them that the world really was going to end.

the litral planet will stand forever , but this system of things , will be replaced by Gods heavenly kingdom goverment Daniel 2;44 yes bible prophecy is now well along and the heavenly kingdom goverment is now well established in the heavens and has been since 1914 inline with bible prophecy and chronology . we are very near to the time when Jehovah God will say ,ok that is enough, and he will give the command to Jesus to go into action . yes we are living in very thrilling times indeed . only Gods heavenly kingdom can bring true peace to the earth , thats because Jesus is the best king. he is the prince of PEACE. Isaiah 9;6-7
"[Jehovah] is making wars to cease to the extremity of the earth."—PSALM 46:9.
True peace means peace every day.
It means no more crime, no more violence, no more families torn apart, no more homeless people, no more people starving or freezing, and no more despair and frustration. Better still, God’s peace means a world without sickness, pain, sorrow, or death. (Revelation 21:4) What a magnificent hope we have of enjoying true peace

 

[cyberpi]

its all in the bible .

So you think your interpretations of the bible are the will of God (swt)? Do you think the bible is the will of God? Again, I ask you: Who wrote your beliefs? I will separate and itemize some of the beliefs that you have expressed, substituting 'God' with 'creator':

1) You can speak for all evidence and what it shows.
2) Man's experiment is to be independent from the creator.
3) The experiment is tragic.
4) Humans rule apart from their creator.
5) Only the creator brings peace, happiness, perfect health, or lasting life.
6) The creator is tolerating wickedness and suffering.
7) The system of things is unsatisfactory.
8) The creator will intervene in human affairs by destroying the entire system of things.

Without comparing and contrasting your beliefs with the bible yet, I observe and comment that you strongly attribute and remove from the will of God. So I ask you plainly again, who wrote your beliefs?

All the evidence shows that we are nearing the end of mans tragic experiment in independence from God. It has been clearly demonstated that rulership by humans apart from God can never suceed. Only Gods rulership can bring peace, happiness, perfect health, and everlasting -life. So Jehovahs toleration of wickedness and suffering is nearing its end .Soon God will intervene in human affairs by destroying this entire unsatisfactory system of things.

 

[mee]

So you think your interpretations of the bible are the will of God (swt)? Do you think the bible is the will of God? Again, I ask you: Who wrote your beliefs? I will separate and itemize some of the beliefs that you have expressed, substituting 'God' with 'creator':

1) You can speak for all evidence and what it shows.
2) Man's experiment is to be independent from the creator.
3) The experiment is tragic.
4) Humans rule apart from their creator.
5) Only the creator brings peace, happiness, perfect health, or lasting life.
6) The creator is tolerating wickedness and suffering.
7) The system of things is unsatisfactory.
8) The creator will intervene in human affairs by destroying the entire system of things.

Without comparing and contrasting your beliefs with the bible yet, I observe and comment that you strongly attribute and remove from the will of God. So I ask you plainly again, who wrote your beliefs?

All scripture is inspired of God , my beliefs are based on the bible and the things it promises..........
All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 2 timothy 3;16 yes it gives me a hope for the future
For all the things that were written aforetime were written for our instruction, that through our endurance and through the comfort from the Scriptures we might have hope. Romans 15;4 yes i think the bible is from God

 

[BlaznFattyz]

the bible brings many things to light .

Yes, it sure does. however some beliefs have introduced man made doctrine and ceremonies into scripture and worship. that which god has not commanded us to do, that which conflicts with scripture, or that which is been proven false already is not of god, but of man.

 

[wil]

Suffering is at it end...as it is a choice.

I believe G-d is one with all of us, omnipresence...We are the ones that have chosen separation, chosen to deny.

It is not near...it is here...should we choose.

 

[mee]

God did not create humans to suffer. On the contrary, he endowed the first human couple, Adam and Eve, with perfect minds and bodies, prepared a delightful garden to serve as their home, and assigned them meaningful, satisfying work. (Genesis 1:27, 28, 31; 2:8) However, their continued happiness depended on their recognizing God’s rulership and his right to decide what was good and what was bad. That divine prerogative was represented by a tree called "the tree of the knowledge of good and bad." (Genesis 2:17) Adam and Eve would demonstrate their subjection to God if they obeyed his command not to eat from that tree
In its footnote to Genesis 2:17, The Jerusalem Bible explains "the knowledge of good and evil" as "the power of deciding . . . what is good and what is evil and of acting accordingly, a claim to complete moral independence by which man refuses to recognise his status as a created being." It adds: "The first sin was an attack on God’s sovereignty." independance has not brought benifits it has brought suffering . but no worries , suffering is on the way out for good.
In the thousands of years of human history, mankind has been able to try every form of self-rule, or human government. Mankind has made some advances in science and other fields, but injustice, poverty, crime, and war have grown ever worse. Human rule has now been shown to be a failure. that is why God is going to step in as Daniel 2;44 tells us , and put an end to human rulership
And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite Daniel 2;44

 

[wil]

Mankind has made some advances in science and other fields, but injustice, poverty, crime, and war have grown ever worse.

Some advances? "If G-d meant man to fly He would have given us wings" Wasn't to long ago that was a more than common statement.

When it comes to injustice, poverty, crime and war...I think we've shown much improvement over what was recorded in the bible. Soon as that Tree of knowledge came down the incest, murder, rape took off..

As we grow in consciousness (allow ourcellves to G-d) we have seen and will continue to reap the benefits.

 

[mee]

Yes, it sure does. however some beliefs have introduced man made doctrine and ceremonies into scripture and worship. that which god has not commanded us to do, that which conflicts with scripture, or that which is been proven false already is not of god, but of man.

very true indeed . and many are misled by them . TRINITY, HELLFIRE , IMMORTALITY OF THE HUMAN SOUL, ect ect faithfulness leads to great blessings yes suffering will come to its end , the bible as the pure word of God ,tells us that even DEATH will be swallowed up forever.
As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing. 1 corinthians 15;26