suffering is near its end

[mee]

When it comes to injustice, poverty, crime and war...I think we've shown much improvement

.......... improvement.............. no disrespect but you must go round with your eyes closed , but i know one thing, the Almighty himself certainly does see all of the wars ,injustice, ect ect and he feels hurt to the heart by it all, he certainly is long-suffering

 

[mee]

the opportunity is open to people living today to have what Adam lost—perfect human life, free from suffering, in a paradise earth. What a generous provision that is

 

[wil]

the opportunity is open to people living today to have what Adam lost—perfect human life, free from suffering, in a paradise earth. What a generous provision that is

that is exactly what I said.

Suffering is at it end...as it is a choice.

I believe G-d is one with all of us, omnipresence...We are the ones that have chosen separation, chosen to deny.

It is not near...it is here...should we choose.

i know one thing, the Almighty himself certainly does see all of the wars ,injustice, ect ect and he feels hurt to the heart by it all, he certainly is long-suffering

again, while I find it hard to believe that spirit suffers and don't presuppose what spirit feels...If I add up the percentage of the populaton today which perceptions indicate are on the wrong side of things vs. what we read in the bible...I think we've come a long way. Would be interesting to recreate biblical texts in the form of headlines and newscopy....oops you guys may have already done that.

 

[BlaznFattyz]

very true indeed . and many are misled by them . TRINITY, HELLFIRE , IMMORTALITY OF THE HUMAN SOUL, ect ect faithfulness leads to great blessings yes suffering will come to its end , the bible as the pure word of God ,tells us that even DEATH will be swallowed up forever.
As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing. 1 corinthians 15;26

very true indeed and some are misled by them; 1914, jesus an archangel, no understanding of the trinity, the holy spirit not a person by a force, etc. very sad . in the last days, many will break away from the teachings of christ. the teachings of organizations, institutions, societies, of men will cause them to stray and to stumble.

 

[cyberpi]

All scripture is inspired of God , my beliefs are based on the bible and the things it promises..........

The eyes and mind see only what they can, and the mouth speaks out of the abundance of the heart.

1) You can speak for all evidence and what it shows.

That would be limited to all the evidence that you have seen, correct?

2) Man's experiment is to be independent from the creator.

I am a man and I do not wish to be independent, so I testify against your belief.

3) The experiment is tragic.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world...
Where you see tragedy some see life, and love God (swt) with their heart, soul, and mind, and others as they do themselves.

4) Humans rule apart from their creator.

God (swt) and man has never lived apart:
Matthew 4:4 It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

5) Only the creator brings peace, happiness, perfect health, or lasting life.

Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
John 13:17 If you know these things, happy are you if you do them.
Matthew 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my (Jesus) sake shall find it.
John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which pershes, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall gve unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

6) The creator is tolerating wickedness and suffering.

Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; that you may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he makes his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

7) The system of things is unsatisfactory.

John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

8) The creator will intervene in human affairs by destroying the entire system of things.

John 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved.

All the evidence shows that we are nearing the end of mans tragic experiment in independence from God. It has been clearly demonstated that rulership by humans apart from God can never suceed. Only Gods rulership can bring peace, happiness, perfect health, and everlasting -life. So Jehovahs toleration of wickedness and suffering is nearing its end .Soon God will intervene in human affairs by destroying this entire unsatisfactory system of things.

 

[mee]

that is exactly what I said.again, while I find it hard to believe that spirit suffers and don't presuppose what spirit feels...If I add up the percentage of the populaton today which perceptions indicate are on the wrong side of things vs. what we read in the bible...I think we've come a long way. Would be interesting to recreate biblical texts in the form of headlines and newscopy....oops you guys may have already done that.

An example of how Jehovah’s feelings can be hurt is found in the account about the days of Noah. At that time, "the earth became filled with violence. So God saw the earth and, look! it was ruined, because all flesh had ruined its way on the earth." How did God feel as he surveyed the depravity and the violence? "Jehovah felt regrets that he had made men in the earth," says the Bible, ".AND HE FELT HURT AT HIS HEART" (Genesis 6:5, 6, 11, 12) also when the ancient nation of Israel persistently ignored his feelings and loving direction

How often they would rebel against him in the wilderness,
They would make him feel hurt in the desert!


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And again and again they would put God to the test,​

(Psalm 78:38-41)
Even though the rebellious Israelites rightly suffered the consequences of their own sinfulness, the Bible tells us that "during all their distress it was distressing to [God]."—Isaiah 63:9.
And they pained even the Holy One of Israel................. talking about news headlines the bible fortold the way of the world and its attitudes as 2 timothy3;1-5 reads like today
But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, 3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, 4 betrayers, headstrong, puffed up [with pride], lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power; and from these turn away

 

[mee]

very true indeed and some are misled by them; 1914, jesus an archangel, no understanding of the trinity, the holy spirit not a person by a force, etc. very sad . in the last days, many will break away from the teachings of christ. the teachings of organizations, institutions, societies, of men will cause them to stray and to stumble.

True knowledge certainly has become abundant in these the last days Daniel 12;4 the active force of God is certainly a force in motion. bringing many inline with Jesus peaceful teachings, many are heeding the call to get out of Babylon the great (the world empire of false religion) revelation 18;4 then they can be a clean people, taking in pure unadulturated teachings of the bible. yes many have broken free from doctrines of men . what thrilling times we are living in as MICAH 4;1-5 fortold

And it must occur in the final part of the days [that] the mountain of the house of Jehovah will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will certainly be lifted up above the hills; and to it peoples must stream. 2 And many nations will certainly go and say: "Come, YOU people, and let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths." For out of Zion law will go forth, and the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. 3 And he will certainly render judgment among many peoples, and set matters straight respecting mighty nations far away. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. They will not lift up sword, nation against nation, neither will they learn war anymore. 4 And they will actually sit, each one under his vine and under his fig tree, and there will be no one making [them] tremble; for the very mouth of Jehovah of armies has spoken [it].​

5 For all the peoples, for their part, will walk each one in the name of its god; but we, for our part, shall walk in the name of Jehovah our God to time indefinite, even forever.

 

[mee]

Isa. 25:8: "He will actually swallow up death forever, and the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will certainly wipe the tears from all faces." (Also Revelation 22:1, 2)​

Isa. 33:24: "No resident will say: ‘I am sick.’".................. we see plenty of those things on the earth now, death, tears, sickness. but Goodnews those things will be swallowed up forever .

 

[cyberpi]

Mee, on this thread you predict the future with signs that you see... you've called it, "all evidence" and you have claimed directly that it is God's will for various reasons you've assembled. Is it not a prophet that predicts the future with divine guidance? By your stated beliefs, that would include by reading the bible. Have you considered what Jesus (pbuh), in the bible says:

Matthew 24:23-24
Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; in so much that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Mark 13:32
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

 

[mee]

Mee, on this thread you predict the future with signs that you see... you've called it, "all evidence" and you have claimed directly that it is God's will for various reasons you've assembled. Is it not a prophet that predicts the future with divine guidance? By your stated beliefs, that would include by reading the bible. Have you considered what Jesus (pbuh), in the bible says:

Matthew 24:23-24
Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; in so much that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Mark 13:32
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

only the bible predicts the future , there is no other book like the bible , what a wonderful book it really is, and yes as you mentioned , many false christs are out there ,but Jesus is in heaven he will never come back in the flesh to the earth again . and yes no one knows the day or the hour when Jehovahs appointed time to step into the affairs of man will come, not even Jesus or the angels , but make no mistake about it, Jesus is ready and waiting for the command from his Father Jehovah. and as verse 33 goes on to say
Keep looking, keep awake, for YOU do not know when the appointed time is................. yes the appointed time for Jehovah to Judge the whole inhabited earth is very near indeed . still as the bible fortells those who Jehovah and Jesus christ deem to be sheep will have everlasting life , but the ones that they deem to be Goats will have cutting-off, in other words they will not benefit from the wonderful blessings in store. i am trying to be sheep-like by doing the things that Jesus is asking us , and that is to help his brothers(144,000) in a spiritual and a litral way on the earth , the Goats are known to be very rebellious and it will not benefit them in the end , because they will be judged for it.
Those sheep with earthly hopes recognize Jesus’ brothers as ambassadors of the Kingdom and have therefore aided them—literally and spiritually. Jesus counts as done to him what the other sheep do for his brothers on earth. Such ones who are alive when he comes to judge the nations will be judged as sheep. yes the bible holds out a wonderful hope for sheep-like people . so just as the 144,000 have taken the lead in making known about the heavenly kingdom that was established in 1914 in the heavens, so the other sheep are helping them to get the goodnews made known . that is what Jesus wants us to do . yes the bible is a wonderful book and it does predict the future , in fact , many things that Jesus spoke of and were written down in the bible , are happening right now . yes the illustration about the sheep and the goats , is one of my favourite illustrations, because we have a choice , we can make ourselves a goat,or we can make ourselves a sheep . and we will be judged as to our choice . so i am tying not to be rebellious like a goat , but to be like a sheep , and then hopefully i can be a rightous one in the eyes of Jehovah and Jesus christ and go off into everlasting life . because in the illustration of the sheep and the goats, it is the sheep that are known as righteous .
"When the Son of man arrives in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit down on his glorious throne. 32 And all the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 And he will put the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left. matthew 25;31-33

The righteous themselves will possess the earth,​

And they will reside forever upon it. psalm 37;29

 

[mee]

1) You can speak for all evidence and what it shows.
2) Man's experiment is to be independent from the creator.
3) The experiment is tragic.
4) Humans rule apart from their creator.
5) Only the creator brings peace, happiness, perfect health, or lasting life.
6) The creator is tolerating wickedness and suffering.
7) The system of things is unsatisfactory.
8) The creator will intervene in human affairs by destroying the entire system of things.

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And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite; Daniel 2;44 yes the creator will intervene in human affairs, as the bible informs us .
I well know, O Jehovah, that to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step .....Jeremiah 10;23 and the bible also informs us that man was not created to rule himself independent of God................... only the creator can bring peace to the earth as Isaiah 9;6-7; tells us ,
For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. 7 To the abundance of the princely rule and to peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David and upon his kingdom in order to establish it firmly and to sustain it by means of justice and by means of righteousness, from now on and to time indefinite. The very zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this..................................
(Isaiah 2:4) And he will certainly render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, neither will they learn war anymore.
(Acts 17:31) Because he has set a day in which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has furnished a guarantee to all men in that he has resurrected him from the dead."