false prophets and staying in truth

[InChristAlways]

It is an opinion. It is like the anus of each human. We all have one, and sometimes, they stink. What comes out of them, isn't clean.

Or like Brucedc says in the computer world, garbage in, garbage out.

This is subjective speculation...are you actually leaning towards this view InChrist?

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Q

LOL. Nope. Just trying to harmonize Daniel 11/12 to the Great Day of the Lord in the Bible and book of revelation brother. Wanna help?

Ezekiel 39: 'Speak to every sort of bird and to every beast of the field: "Assemble yourselves and come; Gather together from all sides to My sacrificial meal Which I am sacrificing for you, A great sacrificial meal on the mountains of Israel, That you may eat flesh and drink blood.[Revelation 19/20]

[size=+2]Zeph 1:7 Be silent in the presence of the Lord GOD; For the day of the LORD [is] at hand, For the LORD has prepared a sacrifice; He has invited His guests. 8 "And it shall be, In the day of the LORD's sacrifice, That I will punish the princes and the king's [OC High Priest?] children, And all such as are clothed with foreign apparel. [/size]

Revelation 8:1 When He opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour.

http://www.awitness.org/lostmess/daniel.html

All this is rather 'jarring' to read, and does leave a person scratching their heads, wondering what is wrong with this picture. A doctrine of the 'revived Roman empire' was then concocted, and at the time this happens, the clock will start ticking again and that last bit of prophecy will finally be fulfilled. This might explain chapter nine, if you choose to accept such nimble interpretation, but another excuse would have to be cooked up for chapters 10 to 12, for it is self evident that in this source (written in the second century in response to Antiochus IV) the world did not end immediately after Antiochus despoiled Jerusalem and the temple, Michael was not outraged enough to promptly end the world. This 'clock' must have 'stopped ticking' as well, awaiting the awakening and the rise of the 'revived Selucid Greek empire' at which time it will finally be fulfilled. This would, of course, require ending the world twice (once to Revive the Romans and thus salvage chapter 9, and a second go at it to revive the Greeks and salvage chapter 12. Whether or not we can all tolerate suffering through two ends of the world is a good question, but this would be required to salvage the doctrine of 'Biblical inerrancy.'

Daniel 12:1 "At that time Michael shall stand up, The great prince who stands [watch] over the sons of your people; And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation, [Even] to that time. And at that time Your People shall be delivered, Every one who is found written in the book.

 

[Quahom1]

LOL. Nope. Just trying to harmonize Daniel 11/12 to the Great Day of the Lord in the Bible and book of revelation brother. Wanna help? .

Sure, If I can.

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Q

 

[InChristAlways]

LOL. Nope. Just trying to harmonize Daniel 11/12 to the Great Day of the Lord in the Bible and book of revelation brother. Wanna help?

Ezekiel 39: 'Speak to every sort of bird and to every beast of the field: "Assemble yourselves and come; Gather together from all sides to My sacrificial meal Which I am sacrificing for you, A great sacrificial meal on the mountains of Israel, That you may eat flesh and drink blood.[Revelation 19/20]

Zeph 1:7 Be silent in the presence of the Lord GOD; For the day of the LORD [is] at hand, For the LORD has prepared a sacrifice; He has invited His guests. 8 "And it shall be, In the day of the LORD's sacrifice, That I will punish the princes and the king's [OC High Priest?] children, And all such as are clothed with foreign apparel. Quote:

Revelation 8:1 When He opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour.

Sure, If I can.

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Q

I never read Maccabees [though I did read through some of Josephus] so maybe that is why I view Daniel differently than the "early churches" did. I am really trying Truthfully to get the correct translation of Daniel 11.

Can we agree that revelation is the fulfillment of Daniel 12 and concerns Daniel's people and the OC jewish Nation?

[size=+2]Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince who standeth for the children of thy people; and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a Nation even to that same time; and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. [/size]
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Reve 12:7 And there came war in the heaven; Michael and his messengers did war against the dragon, and the dragon did war, and his messengers, [/size]


http://www.awitness.org/lostmess/daniel.html
As a final point I have to ask how, after those early churches embarrassed everyone by reading Daniel in an uncritical way and being gullible about the Bible, and prophecy in particular, you really have to wonder why any other modern church would want to do the same thing, repeat the same mistake, and embarrass themselves in the same way as those early churches did. It turns out that there are certain things you can learn by not taking the Bible literally all the time, and this lesson is certainly one of them.

 

[Quahom1]

I never read Maccabees [though I did read through some of Josephus] so maybe that is why I view Daniel differently than the "early churches" did. I am really trying Truthfully to get the correct translation of Daniel 11.

Can we agree that revelation is the fulfillment of Daniel 12 and concerns Daniel's people and the OC jewish Nation?

[size=+2]Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince who standeth for the children of thy people; and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a Nation even to that same time; and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
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Reve 12:7 And there came war in the heaven; Michael and his messengers did war against the dragon, and the dragon did war, and his messengers, [/size]


http://www.awitness.org/lostmess/daniel.html
As a final point I have to ask how, after those early churches embarrassed everyone by reading Daniel in an uncritical way and being gullible about the Bible, and prophecy in particular, you really have to wonder why any other modern church would want to do the same thing, repeat the same mistake, and embarrass themselves in the same way as those early churches did. It turns out that there are certain things you can learn by not taking the Bible literally all the time, and this lesson is certainly one of them.

I see. Time is an important part of your life. So, the Biblical scriptures are based on who's time? ...

Time is relative... You are not...

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Q

 

[InChristAlways]

I never read Maccabees [though I did read through some of Josephus] so maybe that is why I view Daniel differently than the "early churches" did. I am really trying Truthfully to get the correct translation of Daniel 11.

Can we agree that revelation is the fulfillment of Daniel 12 and concerns Daniel's people and the OC jewish Nation?

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince who standeth for the children of thy people; and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a Nation even to that same time; and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Reve 12:7 And there came war in the heaven; Michael and his messengers did war against the dragon, and the dragon did war, and his messengers

,

I see. Time is an important part of your life. So, the Biblical scriptures are based on who's time? ...

Time is relative... You are not...

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Q

I am not looking at Time or even Dates in the Holy Inspired Scriptures, and that is what got the early churches in trouble and confusion on the Bible, picking and determining "Dates" instead of what God's Word's were signifying for Mankind. [note the Left Behind books]This is what has led many christians away from Christ, "anointed Word of God", into judaism, Islam or just plain turning atheist.

As far as I am concerned the whole Bible was written at one Time and dropped down to earth for those who believe unto the One True God and Creator.

What makes the Bible so Inspired except that it harmonizes all the way from Genesis to Revelation, Time not even being factored into it and I don't have to even believe Noah, Abraham, Jacob or "Christ/anointed One" actually walked the earth to believe the Bible.

[size=+2]Genesis 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent: 'Because thou hast done this, cursed art thou from among all cattle, and from among all beasts of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life. 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; they shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise their heel.'

[/size][size=+2] Reve 12:14 and there were given to the woman two wings of the great eagle, that she may fly to the wilderness, to her place, where she is nourished a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent; 15 and the serpent did cast forth after the woman, out of his mouth, water as a river, that he may cause her to be carried away by the river,

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http://www.awitness.org/lostmess/daniel.html
As a final point I have to ask how, after those early churches embarrassed everyone by reading Daniel in an uncritical way and being gullible about the Bible, and prophecy in particular, you really have to wonder why any other modern church would want to do the same thing, repeat the same mistake, and embarrass themselves in the same way as those early churches did. It turns out that there are certain things you can learn by not taking the Bible literally all the time, and this lesson is certainly one of them.

 

[wil]

As far as I am concerned the whole Bible was written at one Time and dropped down to earth for those who believe unto the One True God and Creator.

wheee ... and then edited for the past 5000 years? I actually guess that is somewhat accurate.

 

[Quahom1]

wheee ... and then edited for the past 5000 years? I actually guess that is somewhat accurate.

No, you are not serious...are you?

 

[lunamoth]

As far as I am concerned the whole Bible was written at one Time and dropped down to earth for those who believe unto the One True God and Creator.
the time, and this lesson is certainly one of them.

This seems like a rather unconventional view. When was it dropped? Do you mean all the OT and NT and what about the apocrypha?

cheers,
lunamoth

 

[InChristAlways]

What makes the Bible so Inspired except that it harmonizes all the way from Genesis to Revelation, Time not even being factored into it and I don't have to even believe Noah, Abraham, Jacob or "Christ/anointed One" actually walked the earth to believe the Bible.

As far as I am concerned the whole Bible was written at one Time and dropped down to earth for those who believe unto the One True God and Creator.

http://www.awitness.org/lostmess/daniel.html
As a final point I have to ask how, after those early churches embarrassed everyone by reading Daniel in an uncritical way and being gullible about the Bible, and prophecy in particular, you really have to wonder why any other modern church would want to do the same thing, repeat the same mistake, and embarrass themselves in the same way as those early churches did. It turns out that there are certain things you can learn by not taking the Bible literally all the time, and this lesson is certainly one of them.

wheee ... and then edited for the past 5000 years? I actually guess that is somewhat accurate.

If it was up to me, I would have put the book of Revelation right after the OT book of Malachi or perhaps Ezekiel as it is the fulfillment of both of those books it seems and there would have been less confusion amongst the early churches? .

Genesis 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent: 'Because thou hast done this, cursed art thou from among all cattle, and from among all beasts of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life. 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; they shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise their heel.'

Reve 12:14 and there were given to the woman two wings of the great eagle, that she may fly to the wilderness, to her place, where she is nourished a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent; 15 and the serpent did cast forth after the woman, out of his mouth, water as a river, that he may cause her to be carried away by the river,

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince who standeth for the children of thy people; and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a Nation even to that same time; and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Reve 12:7 And there came war in the heaven; Michael and his messengers did war against the dragon, and the dragon did war, and his messengers

 

[wil]

Quote: InChristAlways
As far as I am concerned the whole Bible was written at one Time and dropped down to earth for those who believe unto the One True God and Creator.
wheee

Quote:wil
... and then edited for the past 5000 years? I actually guess that is somewhat accurate.

Quote:Quahom1
No, you are not serious...are you?

I love getting called on the carpet...and now since I have to defend myself..

Well I coulda used your exact words in lieu of my previous post but instead I contemplated. God of the 3-Os Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient, could have 'written' the book in the ethers for us to divine out. I can actually guess that is somewhat accurate...

Come on Q, didn't I leave enogh contigencies and outs in that one?

 

[Quahom1]

I love getting called on the carpet...and now since I have to defend myself..

Well I coulda used your exact words in lieu of my previous post but instead I contemplated. God of the 3-Os Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient, could have 'written' the book in the ethers for us to divine out. I can actually guess that is somewhat accurate...

Come on Q, didn't I leave enogh contigencies and outs in that one?

LOL yup, you did

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Q

 

[InChristAlways]

quote Q: They encouraged me to "STUDY" bibical verses. They pushed me to make arguement in behalf of scripture.

Perhaps the young "elders" of the Mormon church are wise indeed. They made a man think about God...after all.

I'm sorry, Q, but there's a lot that isn't too good about the Mormon teaching.
I hope you're not getting into any of that. They are unbiblical to the bone. One Mormon even admitted that they don't believe in the same Christ as other Christians. Don't go there !!

Hi Ghaniel. There a multitudes of various teachings from the Bible in the world today, but what Q was saying was that it made him delve into the Scriptures more deeply to have more knowledge of God and that is very inspirational in my view.

That knowledge won't be found reading the Talmud, Koran or other various books outside what we call our Christ-ian Bible, though I can only say that from my own view.
Peace and love to you and yours.
Steve

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being priest for Me; Because you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children.