Jaiket
Token Atheist
Providing that, unlike me, you believe such a being exists.
Jaiket said:Providing that, unlike me, you believe such a being exists.
Eh...I'd rather not. I do not 'know' that there are no gods, and frankly, Bandit, if I was looking for debate I'd select a poster a little less hostile.Bandit said:i am not even going to feed this. so i have a better idea that works for me & i have an interest in.
why dont you teach me & others, how to believe & KNOW that God does not exist.
Jaiket said:Eh...I'd rather not. I do not 'know' that there are no gods, and frankly, Bandit, if I was looking for debate I'd select a poster a little less hostile.
No problem. Sorry about my response. I thought you were being disingenuous.Bandit said:i respectfully want to know what YOU have to say about God.
this is not the first time i have gotten no where trying to understand it.
pardon me for asking a sincere question.
Jaiket said:No problem. Sorry about my response. I thought you were being disingenuous.
I don't have much to say about the god of the bible. I have saw nothing meriting belief in this god, that is to say, that while I cannot say with certainty that there is no god I am comfortable with that conclusion.
Of course, I am always open to evidence, but I'm not particularly fond of the kind that has to be believed first seen later. I'm quite happy accepting that any potential deity will reveal itself to me if it desires I believe it exists.
If you're looking for specifics feel free to ask.
Jaiket said:No problem. Sorry about my response. I thought you were being disingenuous.
I don't have much to say about the god of the bible. I have saw nothing meriting belief in this god, that is to say, that while I cannot say with certainty that there is no god I am comfortable with that conclusion.
Of course, I am always open to evidence, but I'm not particularly fond of the kind that has to be believed first seen later. I'm quite happy accepting that any potential deity will reveal itself to me if it desires I believe it exists.
If you're looking for specifics feel free to ask.
Jaiket said:No problem. Sorry about my response. I thought you were being disingenuous.
I don't have much to say about the god of the bible. I have saw nothing meriting belief in this god, that is to say, that while I cannot say with certainty that there is no god I am comfortable with that conclusion.
Of course, I am always open to evidence, but I'm not particularly fond of the kind that has to be believed first seen later. I'm quite happy accepting that any potential deity will reveal itself to me if it desires I believe it exists.
If you're looking for specifics feel free to ask.
presser_kun said:There are so many ways to take this question!
We -- collective we? As in the entire human race? -- or just those of us involved in this discussion?
Know -- as in "can be verified," "can be proven," "can be supported by evidence"? Or as in "seems right to me," "it's just an inner knowing," --
God -- Supreme being, force of nature, The Universe, Ground of all being, "the feeling in my heart," "the still, small voice" -- and so many more definitions/understandings of the term "god"?
What do we know about God?
The ideas above and many more can be combined in a multitude of ways. Answering seems a daunting task, but here's my stab at it.
We humans know God is, God exists.
God is beyond humans in scope.
That's about all we as a species can agree on.
Not everyone agrees that there God exists, of course. But all those that do agree with these two statements, I think.
Say any more than this about God and someone will disagree with you.
Many think God is a person; others, that God is a force.
God-is-a-person folks perceive/experience God as loving, jealous, protective, guiding, and more. God-is-a-force types say God is impersonal.
Some believe there is only one correct way to relate to God; that all other approaches to God are wrong.
Others believe that there are many ways to understand and approach God, and that other ways are enlightening, enriching, worthy of listening to and engaging.
Hm. These thoughts seem cold, sterile, lifeless. But does passion have a place here?
Only if you have something to defend.
Your thoughts?
peace,
press
Bandit said:why dont you teach me & others, how to believe & KNOW that God does not exist.
Angel{">i<"}tears said:hi
I will tell you a real story happen here in my country![]()
there is a man came to one of our Islamic gaffer and he asked 3 question, that no
one from world scientist could answer it:
he said:
“ 1- you people believe in god ,but where is he,
how you believe in something you can’t see it?
2- you people believe in destiny? but there is no destiny ,every thing in world is
coincidence?
3- you people believe that jinn made from fire ,so how god will punished it by fire
in the judgment day, and they have been made in fire??!!
Suddenly ,The Islamic gaffer slap the man in his face
The man surprise
And the gaffer said “1- tell me know did you know I’m going to slap you?? That’s what we called destiny.
2- of course you feel pain, can you characterize it to me blz ??
that what we called faith on god we feel it but can’t characterized it.
3- do you see my hand ?? it maid from dust and your face too , but you feel the pain? That’s all the answer you need
then the man became Muslim, and he is very happy now with his own family .
thanks all
peace![]()