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from far far away
The universe of the dead. Dead real!
The idea is that perhaps there is a real place [eternity?] where we go after death, rather than the afterlife being merely spiritual, the idea is only in its fetal stage i am just looking for ideas!
‘Inner heaven’, Heaven as we see it, is different according to culture and belief system, but are we merely seeing an outer vision of the ‘real’ Elysium/heaven, e.g. a billion other people from other planets [aliens {sorry if this seams to be going into the realm of nonsense}] see there version of heaven as well as each of us seeing a different version. So I am wondering if there is an actual real heaven behind the veil - so to say. Lets call it ‘the universe of the dead’ [eternally alive]! This would have the duel natures of infinity as its basis rather than quantum/finite nature!
The duel natures of infinity being -
a. the indefinable infinity [that one cannot ‘build up’ to], I.e. incomparative infinity.
b. comparable infinity - like if you begin at number one and keep on counting.
What is the universe as viewed through the infinite eye? Firstly let us imagine this universe as singular – as it is the only one we know about, in universal time i would imagine it to be like a sphere with all its history contained within. This would have no form or physicality to it, rather it would simply be 'everythingness' [unless you can think of a better description?]. I see this as the basis to all potentials that become events in the lifespan of the universe. [see {2} for the same principle in the form of knowledge]
now let us take this idea into infinity...
what if the sphere of the universe is occupied by by an infinite 'amount' of universes! This would seam to be implied by infinite potential, and that the universe has energy [etc.] - where would all the energy go at the end of the universe, and how can there be an actual end. We have discussed infinite worlds/universes and the idea soon becomes ridiculous, which brings me to the idea that there are infinite yet 'energy-less' universes yet only one can be real thence forming energy to its shape. So what exactly is 'energy'? If we imagine a line beneath which are for example; three arrows of potential realities all of which are trying to take form, then one gains the upper hand and becomes manifest or real. The act of a potentiality becoming itself in form and nature is equivalent to becoming 'of energy' [bear with me], this would occur once at the beginning of the universe when all potentials occur becoming the singularity.
I am wondering if what I am aiming at is 'the source', as the universe is circular then the beginning is at the universal emanation center i.e. All around us and everywhere in the universe, so things are being 'created' that is – they are 'bringing themselves into being' - all the time. The beginning is everywhere in the same way as the center of the universe is at any given point, following this line I would presume that the end is also everywhere! What a strange nature this produces! 'The womb of life, death and the heart'! Or perhaps we can think of it like an eternal cauldron perpetually bringing forth potential into its form. Now let us remove the universe from the picture so as to look at what may be there beyond/after it:
By the same apparatus as that which the quantum universe is manifest we may ask; what of all other potential? Given that everything of a quantum nature is manifest in the singularity, then that which is not of quantum construction would thence be manifest in its own 'universe' of its own dimensions. As energy is potential made real [let us say] then all other potential would have its equivalent to its 'energy form'! For now we will call this 'energy of eternity' 'Ether'.
So what would a non-quantum' form be like?
How would 'mind' operate in eternity? In my mind eternity is very much closer to infinity than the quantum universe, in fact I would say that it literally is 'the form' of infinity [see {b}above], I will separate the two infinities by referring to infinity in its pure/own form as the infinitive [don't know if its the same in the dictionary]. I feel that mind operates on all levels/dimensions but relative mainly to its immediate environment. When we die we no longer have the quantum environment, thus eternity becomes more apparent. In parallel to this the mind has its form and hence becomes of its relative 'body' according to its potential and nature – this then is the soul-body or body of eternity! I would presume that we 'enter' this world in much the same way i.e. Things evolve and transform in this quantum universe relative to the nature of their potential, of which the mind/spirit [Ether-form] is also relative. So when the egg is fertilized in the womb – or artificially inseminated etc.?!] our Ether-form and mind [in reality one] are 'automatically' joined in the beautiful synchronicity of life! Its an 'as above so below' thing! Part of the reflective nature of reality.
There is no duality between heaven and earth! Simply a change from one entity to the next.
Alice in wonderland world...
perhaps the otherworld [Elysium/heaven/eternity etc] is actually changeable! It may sound crazy but it really could be kinda like an Alice in wonderland world in a sense, but of course even in a changeable environment there is order, as the dwellers of this place would naturally form into groups and hence 'realms' would be created. I see this world as being a reflective and reactive environment, where what we think can become real! So if one thought we were going to hell when we died – then perhaps one would! This level of existence sound temporary to me and indeed in the Tibetan book of the dead such worlds are described as 'intermediate realms', as also in the Egyptian book of the dead it is referred to as the underworld. This changeable environment is where both the underworld and the upper worlds are; so what lies beyond them...
beyond the veil.
Well in Buddhism it is nirvana, but I feel there is an actual universe of eternity that is as real and 'physical' as the quantum world! Because it is of another time and constructed upon different principles it is not possible to know this world from an earthly perspective i.e. We cannot see beyond the veil between universes.
If there is nothing beyond the veil, then does eternity reflect the world in its form? Are the worlds duel synchronous!
Thence: Is it possible for the 'as above so below' principle to applied to this 'otherworld' e.g. Can we have an earth on an infinite plain? Perhaps rolling back through history past and future, we could imagine this as a simple crossed parallel plain [i.e. A cross with one plain being history and the other an infinite 'now' reflection]. Everything on earth is finite of course; so how would - for example – a country be reflected in eternity? Well let us take ancient Egypt – the entire period could be a 'realm' in eternity as would the Celtic era. The inverse reflection of this would be - I presume – the ancestral spirit! I have always felt that we can learn about the ancestors simply by tuning in to them, although it is a seemingly difficult connection as we have little to connect with, yet if we throw the right kind of questions into the void, they come back through the same 'channel' as the ancestral spirit.
Building our world in eternity!
I wonder if the Egyptians and the Celts had the same idea when it came to building long lasting monuments! As the longer a given thing lasts, then the stronger its presence and form in eternity. The same would perhaps apply to fame! Weather someone is a singer an actor or a historical figure; this of course would include the Buddha Mohamed and Jesus etc.
perhaps we in the 21rst century should take more care with our environment as our realm is a bit of a mess!
Well all in all it is nice to believe that there may just be another and a 'different' universe out there – a real world of the dead?
Perhaps it interacts with this world? Although I see the psychic world as being interactive with the formless world between all worlds, then seeing into the actual otherworld as another level altogether! - perhaps the former is relative to ovate level and the latter to the connection of the druid – ultimately - with the next world.
thanx Z
The idea is that perhaps there is a real place [eternity?] where we go after death, rather than the afterlife being merely spiritual, the idea is only in its fetal stage i am just looking for ideas!
‘Inner heaven’, Heaven as we see it, is different according to culture and belief system, but are we merely seeing an outer vision of the ‘real’ Elysium/heaven, e.g. a billion other people from other planets [aliens {sorry if this seams to be going into the realm of nonsense}] see there version of heaven as well as each of us seeing a different version. So I am wondering if there is an actual real heaven behind the veil - so to say. Lets call it ‘the universe of the dead’ [eternally alive]! This would have the duel natures of infinity as its basis rather than quantum/finite nature!
The duel natures of infinity being -
a. the indefinable infinity [that one cannot ‘build up’ to], I.e. incomparative infinity.
b. comparable infinity - like if you begin at number one and keep on counting.
What is the universe as viewed through the infinite eye? Firstly let us imagine this universe as singular – as it is the only one we know about, in universal time i would imagine it to be like a sphere with all its history contained within. This would have no form or physicality to it, rather it would simply be 'everythingness' [unless you can think of a better description?]. I see this as the basis to all potentials that become events in the lifespan of the universe. [see {2} for the same principle in the form of knowledge]
now let us take this idea into infinity...
what if the sphere of the universe is occupied by by an infinite 'amount' of universes! This would seam to be implied by infinite potential, and that the universe has energy [etc.] - where would all the energy go at the end of the universe, and how can there be an actual end. We have discussed infinite worlds/universes and the idea soon becomes ridiculous, which brings me to the idea that there are infinite yet 'energy-less' universes yet only one can be real thence forming energy to its shape. So what exactly is 'energy'? If we imagine a line beneath which are for example; three arrows of potential realities all of which are trying to take form, then one gains the upper hand and becomes manifest or real. The act of a potentiality becoming itself in form and nature is equivalent to becoming 'of energy' [bear with me], this would occur once at the beginning of the universe when all potentials occur becoming the singularity.
I am wondering if what I am aiming at is 'the source', as the universe is circular then the beginning is at the universal emanation center i.e. All around us and everywhere in the universe, so things are being 'created' that is – they are 'bringing themselves into being' - all the time. The beginning is everywhere in the same way as the center of the universe is at any given point, following this line I would presume that the end is also everywhere! What a strange nature this produces! 'The womb of life, death and the heart'! Or perhaps we can think of it like an eternal cauldron perpetually bringing forth potential into its form. Now let us remove the universe from the picture so as to look at what may be there beyond/after it:
By the same apparatus as that which the quantum universe is manifest we may ask; what of all other potential? Given that everything of a quantum nature is manifest in the singularity, then that which is not of quantum construction would thence be manifest in its own 'universe' of its own dimensions. As energy is potential made real [let us say] then all other potential would have its equivalent to its 'energy form'! For now we will call this 'energy of eternity' 'Ether'.
So what would a non-quantum' form be like?
How would 'mind' operate in eternity? In my mind eternity is very much closer to infinity than the quantum universe, in fact I would say that it literally is 'the form' of infinity [see {b}above], I will separate the two infinities by referring to infinity in its pure/own form as the infinitive [don't know if its the same in the dictionary]. I feel that mind operates on all levels/dimensions but relative mainly to its immediate environment. When we die we no longer have the quantum environment, thus eternity becomes more apparent. In parallel to this the mind has its form and hence becomes of its relative 'body' according to its potential and nature – this then is the soul-body or body of eternity! I would presume that we 'enter' this world in much the same way i.e. Things evolve and transform in this quantum universe relative to the nature of their potential, of which the mind/spirit [Ether-form] is also relative. So when the egg is fertilized in the womb – or artificially inseminated etc.?!] our Ether-form and mind [in reality one] are 'automatically' joined in the beautiful synchronicity of life! Its an 'as above so below' thing! Part of the reflective nature of reality.
There is no duality between heaven and earth! Simply a change from one entity to the next.
Alice in wonderland world...
perhaps the otherworld [Elysium/heaven/eternity etc] is actually changeable! It may sound crazy but it really could be kinda like an Alice in wonderland world in a sense, but of course even in a changeable environment there is order, as the dwellers of this place would naturally form into groups and hence 'realms' would be created. I see this world as being a reflective and reactive environment, where what we think can become real! So if one thought we were going to hell when we died – then perhaps one would! This level of existence sound temporary to me and indeed in the Tibetan book of the dead such worlds are described as 'intermediate realms', as also in the Egyptian book of the dead it is referred to as the underworld. This changeable environment is where both the underworld and the upper worlds are; so what lies beyond them...
beyond the veil.
Well in Buddhism it is nirvana, but I feel there is an actual universe of eternity that is as real and 'physical' as the quantum world! Because it is of another time and constructed upon different principles it is not possible to know this world from an earthly perspective i.e. We cannot see beyond the veil between universes.
If there is nothing beyond the veil, then does eternity reflect the world in its form? Are the worlds duel synchronous!
Thence: Is it possible for the 'as above so below' principle to applied to this 'otherworld' e.g. Can we have an earth on an infinite plain? Perhaps rolling back through history past and future, we could imagine this as a simple crossed parallel plain [i.e. A cross with one plain being history and the other an infinite 'now' reflection]. Everything on earth is finite of course; so how would - for example – a country be reflected in eternity? Well let us take ancient Egypt – the entire period could be a 'realm' in eternity as would the Celtic era. The inverse reflection of this would be - I presume – the ancestral spirit! I have always felt that we can learn about the ancestors simply by tuning in to them, although it is a seemingly difficult connection as we have little to connect with, yet if we throw the right kind of questions into the void, they come back through the same 'channel' as the ancestral spirit.
Building our world in eternity!
I wonder if the Egyptians and the Celts had the same idea when it came to building long lasting monuments! As the longer a given thing lasts, then the stronger its presence and form in eternity. The same would perhaps apply to fame! Weather someone is a singer an actor or a historical figure; this of course would include the Buddha Mohamed and Jesus etc.
perhaps we in the 21rst century should take more care with our environment as our realm is a bit of a mess!
Well all in all it is nice to believe that there may just be another and a 'different' universe out there – a real world of the dead?
Perhaps it interacts with this world? Although I see the psychic world as being interactive with the formless world between all worlds, then seeing into the actual otherworld as another level altogether! - perhaps the former is relative to ovate level and the latter to the connection of the druid – ultimately - with the next world.
thanx Z