Taoist Spiritual Alchemy

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Namaste all,

the Tao is a vast and mysterious thing that can only be approximated by conversation.

as such, the sages of old, set up many expedient means by which learners could cause themselves to cross to the other shore.

one of the basics of Taoist thought and much Buddhist thought is that "the genunie path of unminding is not for the immature". one of the teachings of Taoist Alchemy was couched in terms of immortality and physical chemistry to explain in ways that people already understood, what was being communicated.

in nearly every case, the writers of the texts used metaphor and allegory to explain what they were trying to communicate so they used common alchemy terms and expressions to allude to the principle which they were trying to convey.

these techniques have caused all manner of confusion in later students that became fixated on the words and didn't explore the principle underneath.

as time permits, i shall endeavor to try to provide information in a straight forward and easily understood manner.. in essence, i shall break open the bones of dogma to reveal the marrow of truth.
 
Do you mean that Taoist Alchemy attempts to explore Taoist thought and principles in a way that directly correlates with Alchemical practices of the Middle Ages (Europe, at least) - - - or that Taoist Alchemy is the use of spiritual symbols and concepts in certain ways to show the relationships between otherwise seemingly unrelated events, functions, and expressions?
 
I said:
Do you mean that Taoist Alchemy attempts to explore Taoist thought and principles in a way that directly correlates with Alchemical practices of the Middle Ages (Europe, at least) - - - or that Taoist Alchemy is the use of spiritual symbols and concepts in certain ways to show the relationships between otherwise seemingly unrelated events, functions, and expressions?

Namaste Brian,

hmm... well.. you'll have to refresh me vis a vie the European Alchemy... from what i recall, they were engaged in the process of physical immortality, which is considered to be a deranged path of Taoist Spiritual Alchemy.

It could, perhaps, corrolate between the European and Chinese depending on the sect that one was to study. there are many byways on the Great Way.

Taoist Spiritual Alchemy is, primarily, focused on explain the actual techniques involved in going from a mortal to an immortal. no more or less than that.

we're not talking a "spiritual" immortality here either, this is a physical immortality as well (though that, as you can imagine, is a source of dispute). one of the problems that people had when they first started to pratice the Taoist alchemy is that they thought that the words were literal and they didn't bother to investigate the priciples behind them, thus falling into all manner of sidepaths and byways.

in a sense, the Taoists knew that what they were trying to express was essentially beyond words, so they set up similes and metaphor based on things like the I Ching and so forth, for later people to have a guide to the Great Way. often, it seems, that people mistook the guide for the Way and failed to have any attainment.

the Spiritual Alchemy schools (of which two are extant) purposefully expound the principles underneath the similies and metaphors, however, they use their own similies and metaphors to explain it, believing, perhaps, that those symbols were more properly understood.

apparantly that was not the case.

does that answer your question? :confused:
 
Certainly answers things a lot better - thanks for that. :)

Physical immortality, eh? Does this mean, therefore, tha there is a tradition of "immortals" in Taoism, to some dergee (perhaps) equivalent to the Tzaddkim of Jewish lore?
 
The Fool said:
Certainly answers things a lot better - thanks for that. :)

Physical immortality, eh? Does this mean, therefore, tha there is a tradition of "immortals" in Taoism, to some dergee (perhaps) equivalent to the Tzaddkim of Jewish lore?

Namaste Brian,

indeed.... that is exactly what it means. Lao Tzu or Li Er (depending on your sources) was the first physical immortal. there have been many sense then, most of them have rather odd sounding names like Master of the Jade Moon, Perserver of Truth and that sort of thing.

Taoist thought, in the modern world, is found in two forms... philosophical Taoism (which the Alchemical schools are subsumed under) and religious Taoism, which has the 8 Taoist Immortals and that sort of thing.

the religious sects are engaged in ernest practice, though the philosophical schools would consider them to be sidetracked.

the Tzaddkim are the 8 Righteous individuals alive in the world, is that correct?

the information that i present is all from the Alchemical schools and contains none of the dogma of the religious schools, which allows for a much more broad application of the techniques employed therein.
 
Just out of curiosity - is there a special term for the Taoist Immortals?
 
The Fool said:
Just out of curiosity - is there a special term for the Taoist Immortals?

Namaste Brian,

do you mean is there a name that is used to denote the entire group of 8?

i do not believe that there is... however, i will investigate and see what i can discover in this regard. off the top of my head, my source material doesn't indicate that it is so.
 
Namaste Brian,

there were several conflicting name groups for the 8 Immortals, so i think i would go with that... 8 Taoist Immortals and be done with it :)
 
Twenty four Essentials for Students

Namaste all.

1.
See through things of the world.
If you cannot see through things of the world,
You will sink into an ocean of suffering. How can you get out?

2.
Cut of entanglements.
If you cannot cut of entanglements,
The vicious cycles of complusive habit stand before you.

3.
Thoroughly investigate principle and meaning.
If you do not know how to discern the principles of body and mind,
You cannot distinguish aberration and sanity, and miss the road.

4.
Find a teacher and associates.
When you empty the mind, you can fill the belly;
If you are self-satisfied, you will grow old without development.

5.
Make determination endure.
If you want to accomplish something that endures unchanging,
It requires work that endures unceasing.

6.
Get rid of anger and hatred.
If you do not sweep yourself clean of anger and hatred,
You will be full of turbulence, which will obscure the truth.

7.
Relinquish attachment to the physical body.
See the physical body as something temporary and artificial,
And naturally there will be a way to seek the real body.

8.
Do not be afraid of hard work.
With strength of mind, one will be able to climb to the summit;
If you are afraid of hardship, you will never enter the real.

9.
Tolerate ignominy and endure dishonor.
Tolerate ignominy, and though lowly you cannot be surpassed;
Endure dishonor, and through yeilding you can be strong.

10.
Forgive people and defer to others.
It is essential to humble oneself and honor others;
Equanimous deference is a good method.

11.
Take possessions lightly; take life seriously.
Ask yourself - even if you pile up mountains of gold,
Can you buy off impermanence?

12.
View others and self as the same.
Others and self have the same source, without high or low;
If you discriminate between "them" and "us", you raise dust.

13.
Do not be deluded by alcohol or sex.
If you do not drink, your nature will not be deranged;
If you are chaste, your life force will be stable.

14.
Accept hunger and cold as they come.
Dressing and eating according to circumstances, stop idle imagination;
If you are afraid of hunger and cold, your will won't be firm.

15.
Leave life and death to destiny.
Two things, death and life, depend entirely on nature;
The one will to seek the Way is always up to oneself.

16.
Do whatever you can to be helpful.
Wherever you are, continue to perform worthy deeds;
Seeing danger, exert your utmost power to help people.

17.
Do not take a liking to excitement.
It is easy to lose the real in the midst of excitement and glamor;
In the realms fo the senses you can derange your essential nature.

18.
Do not be proud or complacent.
Arrogance arouses the hatred of others;
If you are self-satisifed, you cannot bear the Tao.

19.
Do not crave fine food.
Superior people plan for the Way, not for food;
Inferior people nurture the palate, not the mind.

20.
Do not talk about right and wrong.
Everyone should sweep the snow from his own door
And not be concerned about the frost on anothers roof.

21.
Do not use intellectual brilliance.
If you have talent, do not employ it; always be as if inept;
If you have knowledge, hide it, appearing to be ignorant.

22.
Sleep less and work more.
Working by day, cautious by night, effort never ceasing,
Giving up sleep, forgetting to eat, the will must be firm.

23.
Do not take a liking to fine things.
Pearls and jade, gold and silver, are things outside the body;
Vitality and spirit, essence and life, are the fundamental treasures.

24.
Be consistent from beginning to end.
If you work without strength, it is hard to reach deep attainment;
Only when you die embracing the Tao do you see reality.


These twenty four essentials are important passageways for students which must be put into actual practice. When you have passed through each one and applied them in your life, only then can you meet a real teacher and hear about the great Tao. If there is even one that you cannot practice and get through, even if you meet a real teacher and hear about the Tao, it is not certain to benefit you.

The teacher's function is to polish away errors, to clearly perceive and subtly test the student to see whether the student is genuine or false. A genuine, sincere person is like real gold, which has no fear of fire, becoming brighter themore it is refined in the fire, being appraised by an expert, certified and accpeted.

Someone without will may start out dilligently but eventually slacks off; outwardly obedient yet inwardly refractory, such people will greedily fantasize about the treasures of others without being able to carry out their own tasks. This is what is called not getting rid of temper, not changing the attitude, falling into the sea of vicious circles; even if you accumlate vast hordes of gold an jade, the spirits and immortals will laugh coldly and will not respond. Such people cannot even hear the Way, much less accomplish it.

Thos who hear the Way are small sages; those who accomplish the Way are great sages. The affair of great sages is certainly not within the capabilities of empty obscurantists.
 
On Symbolic Language, pt 1.

Namaste all,

my next few posts in this thread will be to address some broad areas of Taoist Alchemical praxis and theory. as such, some terminology may be a bit unfamaliar to the causal reader, for this i apologize.

this thread will lay bare the essentials of understanding Taoist Alchemical writings. i'm indebted to Thomas Cleary and Lui-i Ming for this text. the text is called Chin tan ssu pai tzu chieh and is translated into English as The Inner Teachings of Taosim.

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The ancient classics on the science of cultivating reality often speak of the path of nondoing, but seldom of the path of doing. However, on the path of nondoing, only those of superior knowledge become suddenly enlightened and attain complete comprehension, understanding everything in one realization, immediately assending into the realm of sages. Mediocre and lesser people, those who are dull, deeply conditioned, and lacking perceptivity, will find that their power is insufficient to practice the path of nondoing; they will not be able to transcend all objects and reach the goal directly.

During the Han dynasty (second centruy C.E.) Wei Po-yang, a Taoist adept, composed the Triplex Unity (Ts'an t'ung ch'i) to guide those of middling and lesser faculties. He used images to present the imageless, used forms to allude to the formless. This was the beginning of the term Gold Elixir and the technical symbolism of lead and mercury, sand and silver, raven and rabbit, dragon and tiger, the baby, the girl, medicinal substances, the furnace and cauldron, cooking and refining, and so on.

Later on, many real people who had attained the Tao composed alchemical treatises, all based on the Triplex Unity, to expound the subtle principles. Their intention was for students in later times to use the former to study the later, and use the later to understand the former.

Nevertheless, later students did not look into the meaning of the code words and did not figure out the principles of the symbols. Seeing talk of gold elixir, lead, mercury, cauldron, and furnace, they thought it refered to the preparation of potions to ingest and the took to chemistry. Seeing talk of raven and rabbit, dragon and tiger, they thought it referred to the internal organs, and they took to visualization exercises. Seeing talk of other and self, yin and yang, male and female, they thought it referred to conjugal elixir, and they took to sexual yoga. Seeing talk of going along, reversing, and inverting, they thought it referred to forced effort and they took to energy circulation exercises. Seeing talk of nondoing to cultivate essence, they took it to mean utter quiessence, and they got involved in quietism. Seeing talk of doing to cultivate life, they thought it meant exercise, and they came to cling to form. These and other schools arose, all taking a deer to be a horse, taking a crow for a phoenix, not only without benefit to essence and life, but eve to the detriment of essence and life. Could this have been the intention of the ancient teachers in using symbolic language?

Symbols are representations, speaking of one thing to allude to something else. Take an example from the field of commond knowledge and experience, consider the cooking and brewing of food and drink. The pot is the "cauldron"; the stove is the "furnace." Water is put in the pot; fire is kindled in the stove. The basic tendency of fire is to flame upward, that of water to flow downward; when we put the water in the pot above and the fire in the stove below, water and fire are thus "reversed" --- they complement one another, so that the food and drink are cooked and brewed. This represents ordinary water and ordinary fire complementing each other.

The strength in people is impetuous and volitile, so it is associated with fire; flexibility is relaxed and calm, so it is associated with water. Using flexibility to nuture strength, using strength to complete flexibility, strenght and flexibility match each other, so that there is neither haste nor dwadling, effecting a return to equipose, with the result that the Tao is easy to accomplish. This is the principle of the mutual complementarity of psychological water and psychological fire. Using the image of complementarity of ordinary water and ordinary fire to represent the principle of complementarity of psychologcial water and fire, that principle is clear.

Let us consider another example. Suppose a man is originally prosperous, but becomes profligate and squanders his fortune; then, on the verge of destitution, he repents of his errors, struggles and labors for a living again, gradually accumlates substance, and eventually re-establishes his fortune. This symbolizes return to the origin. The vitality, spirit and sacred energy in the human body are orginally complete and full; mixing with temporal condition, going along with the process of creation, expends vitality and belabors the spirit, so that the basic energy declines and the source wanes. If, on the verge of exhaustion, one can turn back, quell anger and cupidity, get rid of falsehood and preserve truth, by gradual application of effort one can eventually return to the root and restore life. This is the principle of return to the origin. Using the image of restoration and recovery of a man in the world to represent the principle of return to the origin by practice of Tao, that principle is clear.
 
Worth of ancient scripts

Namaste all.

My question to people studying Taoist alchemical texts from of old, is whether they are curious to find out if there might be some hints of practical value today in these texts, like how to remove salt from the water in the seas, or just curious to know about the thoughts and thinking ways of alchemical writers of centuries past.

Search for elixirs and philosopher's stones by ancient dabblers or researchers in crude chemistry, physics, and astronomy, reading them today, maybe we might see in them some kind of science fictions indicating to us nowadays directions of more scientific inquisitions that can bear fruits for mankind's advancement in life on earth.

Have they written esoterically about how to use intelligence to arrive at peace among mankind, and be concrete in their prescriptions?

Susma Rio Sep
 
Namaste Susma,

thank you for the email.

Susma Rio Sep said:
Namaste all.

My question to people studying Taoist alchemical texts from of old, is whether they are curious to find out if there might be some hints of practical value today in these texts, like how to remove salt from the water in the seas, or just curious to know about the thoughts and thinking ways of alchemical writers of centuries past.

they are not meant to indicate physical processes.. which was the explanation contained in part 1. :)

Search for elixirs and philosopher's stones by ancient dabblers or researchers in crude chemistry, physics, and astronomy, reading them today, maybe we might see in them some kind of science fictions indicating to us nowadays directions of more scientific inquisitions that can bear fruits for mankind's advancement in life on earth.

these things are specifically refuted as deranged paths. this will be clear as the posts continue.

Have they written esoterically about how to use intelligence to arrive at peace among mankind, and be concrete in their prescriptions?

Susma Rio Sep

i would have to say "no"... intelligence only plays a very small part in it. i shall expound on this topic in futher posts, perhaps that will provide some answers for you... or it may induce further questions!
 
Symbolic Language, pt 2

To take another example, when a man and a woman mate, they are able to produce children, who produce grandchildren; this represents the continuing birth of the human Tao. When the yin and yang in the human being match and unite, they can produce enlightened adepts; this is the principle of continuing birth in the alchemical Tao. Using the image of continuing birth of the human Tao to represent the principle of continuing birth in the alchemical Tao, that principle is clear.

The alchemical classics all use metaphors to illustrate principles; they are telling people to discern from the image the principle to be practice, not to turn away from the principle and act on the image. It is a pity that people do not investigate the principles, only recognizing the images. There are very many symbolic expressions used in alchemical classics; students should proceed from the symbol to discover the principle.

When you get the image, forget the words; when you get the intent, forget the image. Then you will be close.
 
On Going Along and Reversal. pt 1

these are two very important topics that are frequently misunderstood. i shall break open the bones of dogma to get to the marrow.

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Everyone in the world know the path of "going along", but not the path of "reverse operation." What is going along? It means going along with natural process. What is reversal? It means reversal of natural process. Going along with natural process gives birth to humans and other beings, the cycle of birth, aging, sickness, and death never ceasing. Reversing the natural process produces enlightened adepts who are neither born nor perish, having a life span equal to that of the universe.

Ordinarily, after people are born, as they grow up they become imbued with temporal conditioning; inwardly, emotions and desires distract them from reality, while outwardly obejcts and events tax their bodies. They take the false to be real, take the aberrant to be correct, take misery for pleasure; following their desires to any lengths, they deplete their original vitality, energy and spirit almost to the point of exhaustion, and thoroughly obscure their inherent round and bright true essence, unwilling to stop until they die. Therefore they undergo birth after birth, death after death, sunk for myriad aeons; this is what is called throwing oneself to one's death even without having been called by the king of death.

People of great wisdom reverse the operation of the natural process; they are not bound by the natural process, not molded by yin and yang, not compelled by myriad things, not changed by myriad conditions. Planting lotuses in a fire, hauling a boat through mud an water, they make temporary use of things of the world to practice the principles of the Tao. They uproot the mundane senses conditioned by history and sweep away all acquired influences. They rule their own destinies and are not ruled by fate. Restoring the whole, original being, they avoid compulsive routine, transcend all worlds, and become incorruptible.

But this celestial mechanism of practicing reversal in the midst of accord has a secret which is communicated verbally and transmitted mentally; one must seek the guidance of a true teacher, for it cannot be known through arbitrary guesswork. Students all over the world use their own meager light and narrow views, memorize a few sayings, ponder a few mystical stories, and think they know the Tao; seeking no further for guidance, they become charlatans, self-appointed preachers who are blind themselves and take in others who are blind. It is wrong to do this.
 
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