Punishment for non believers?
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there will be judgement and perhaps punishment for the non-believers. however; that blanket statement is too general without further explanation. imo, ignorance is one thing; such as amazonian tribes that have never heard the good news, but blaspheming the holy spirit and communicating with dark spirits, and being evil and hateful would probably be something worthy of punishment, when you knew that god existed but ignored it and did not repent but scoffed. the bible does state some will be cast into the lake of fire. ultimately, only god knows what a man's last thoughts are and what happens at judgement.
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Penguin said:I'm afraid this is all too much for me and I haven't got a clue what you are all talking about. We seem to have wondered off on a tangient from my original question for the threadMany thanks.
Hi Penguin, Apologies if it seems that we've taken your thread too far off course. Your question is good, but like so many good questions it leads to much more than 'yes' or 'no' and 'what temperature will the fire be' as an answer.
peace, and best wishes in your search for answers,
lunamoth
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wil said:
*Consider this post a tangent to the OP*
Hi Wil, at the risk of taking this thread off course, I just want to say that I did not mean we are limited to imagining God as the beard in the sky. That is not my concept of God at all. What I mean is we say "God is Love, and God is More than Love," and "God is Being, and God is More than Being." We can list all the attributes we believe flow from God to us, and acknowledge that we also recognize that God is More than we can conceive. So, words fail and our understanding will always fall short, IMO.
As for healings, the source of all healing comes from God. Frankly, I am skeptical of 'energy healings,' etc. I do know that many ailments can be healed by a soul being touched and loved, esp when sufficient touch and love was previously missing.
*we now return you to your regularly scheduled thread on punishment after death*
cheers,
luna
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Penguin said:I'm afraid this is all too much for me and I haven't got a clue what you are all talking about. We seem to have wondered off on a tangient from my original question for the thread
hey Penguin
you dont have to believe & listen to what all these people are saying. i feel your original post answers itself & is very much so on track.
boards like this become very confusing for people, because all people are doing is giving their opinions & a lot of people here do not even believe in the Bible.
if you stick with Jesus the good shephard & the Bible for instruction you will do just fine.
Bandit said:hey Penguin
you dont have to believe & listen to what all these people are saying. i feel your original post answers itself & is very much so on track.
boards like this become very confusing for people, because all people are doing is giving their opinions & a lot of people here do not even believe in the Bible.
if you stick with Jesus the good shephard & the Bible for instruction you will do just fine.
Very true. Opinions are like...well everyone has one. However, not even I would claim that others do not "believe" in the Bible. That would be too presumptuous of me. (make me think I was God or something, reading others' hearts).
No, the amazing thing is that Christ seems to be very important to all who post here (VERY IMPORTANT), to them personally, else they wouldn't bother posting to something that didn't matter to them.
Stick with Jesus, and the Bible, but don't ever be afraid to ask (and listen), for answers that might make you think. You never have to agree. But there is nothing wrong with thinking...that is how we learn.
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Hey, everyone is good for something, even if it's just that they're a bad example! I never ask anyone to agree with what I say. I'd actually prefer that they didn't, otherwise there's nothing to learn.
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Quahom1 said:
not presumptuous at all. many people here say they do not believe in the bible.
interfaith = many people who do not believe in the bible.
no. i do not think i am God, that has nothing to do with it.
Stick with Jesus, and the Bible, but don't ever be afraid to ask (and listen), for answers that might make you think. You never have to agree. But there is nothing wrong with thinking...that is how we learn.
Hey Penguin -
Look at it from the Parable of the Prodigal Son -
The son takes his birthright, goes to town, pours the lot down his throat, ends up sleeping in the gutter.
Do we punish alcoholics? No, we say "I'm here, if you need me." But we know that an alcoholic can never recover until he admits he is an alcoholic. Often the alcoholic has to fall as low as he can go, before he faces the truth of his situation.
You can't save an alcoholic. He doesn't need you, he needs booze.
Alcoholics save themselves. Once they start that process, all you can do is do what you always said, "I'm here, if you need me."
That's all Christianity is ...
Thomas
Look at it from the Parable of the Prodigal Son -
The son takes his birthright, goes to town, pours the lot down his throat, ends up sleeping in the gutter.
Do we punish alcoholics? No, we say "I'm here, if you need me." But we know that an alcoholic can never recover until he admits he is an alcoholic. Often the alcoholic has to fall as low as he can go, before he faces the truth of his situation.
You can't save an alcoholic. He doesn't need you, he needs booze.
Alcoholics save themselves. Once they start that process, all you can do is do what you always said, "I'm here, if you need me."
That's all Christianity is ...
Thomas
Thomas said:
...he doesn't "want you" he wants the booze...
He needs you, whether he knows it or not. Alcoholics don't save themselves...they depend on a "higer power" for that. (step one, and step two, of twelve)...
answer: yes, I've been there.
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China Cat Sunflower said:
Suppose God and Jesus didn't exist. Would you call it a waste of time if one adhered the teachings of Jesus in regard to loving one another? Even if there wasn't a heaven, that's not a bad way to live you life, is it?
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not at allDondi said: