Creation in the Mind of God

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Greetings, all!

I wonder if you good folks could help me with a research question? The subject might also spark an interesting discussion.

I have in my cluttered toybox of a memory the recollection of a pholosophical/theological idea--that we and all of creation exist from instant to instant within the mind of God, and that should He ever forget us, we'll cease to exist.

The idea is poetic and also prescient, given some of the wilder speculations within modern quantum physics, and I'd like to refer to it in the book I'm now writing. Unfortunately, I can't for the life of me remember who suggested it, or even which religious tradition it comes from. The idea sounds a little like Thomas Aquinas on one of his fluffier days, and it also sounds distinctly Hindu, with creation existing moment to moment in the mind of Brahman.

Has anyone run into this idea? Can anyone point me at a source?

Thanks so much!
 
if God, then everything

If God, then everything or nothing but God.

If not God, then nothing but everything is God.

Thus speaks Dr. Susma, from the University of Hardknocks.

I think you are in the right track. Everything is in the mind of God, and since in God there is no distinction of mind of God and God Himself, so God is all His mind. And since there is no distinction between what is in His mind and His mind, then we are all God and God is all in all.

The conclusion seems unchallengeable.

My personal concern is with my own conscious existence. Even though it seems inexorably conclusive that we are all parts and parcels of God; nonetheless I am quite attached to my own here and now conscious existence. And I would like to possess that conscious existence even after this earthly life.

Does science and techology hold the key? I am inclined to think so; but I won't around, sad to say.

Susma Rio Sep
 
WHKeith,

I think Vajradhara has posted one of the Eastern "ideas" concerning your question (the one you have already posted) in one of the other threads (sorry for being so brusque, but I've been up since 5.00 this morning and my brain is crashing.) I think she'd be more than happy to give you specifics.

Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine (who wants to "open up" an apartment in her complex by "removing" a neighbor)
 
WHKeith said:
The idea sounds a little like Thomas Aquinas on one of his fluffier days, and it also sounds distinctly Hindu, with creation existing moment to moment in the mind of Brahman.
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Definitely not Christian, I would say. Nor any of the People of the Book.\

Although we do hold that we continue to exist because God holds us in being, this is because God is the source of being as such. But we neverthess hold that we do 'exist' and are not simply dreams or ideas.

It is propounded in some eastern philosophies, but I would endeavour to track it to its souce, and relevant commentary, as many of these propositions get subtley altered as they travel west.

Christian arguments runs along the line of:

1 - If in the mind of God alone, then nothing possesses any intrinsic reality, or individuality, and thus the whole premise of 'being' is meaningless and you might as well sit back and put your feet up.

2 - If in the mind of God, why suffering? What pleasure does God derive from imagining a creation that suffers? And what does that say about God? (The notion that suffering is our perception is again meaningless because we have no perception)

Thomas.
 
Something about all this sounds like it may be related to Platonist/ Neo-Platonist Christian philosophy in the earlier centuries - especially under people like Augustine (the 4th century one)? Not an area I'm well read on, though.
 
To WHKeith

The idea you are asking about might be from "The Science Of Mind"
by Ernest Holmes. I think it goes something like this," God is Mind
and whatever God thinks into it,it becomes" anyway it goes something
like that. The idea is that God only has to think and it becomes !
This concept is most intriguing, it provides a theory that God contains
All Creation within Himself and the entire universe contains something
of the Creator's Hidden Names. When thinking on the new "M" theory
as expressed by Ed Witten I imagine that there is something which
reveals part of the Creator's hidden nature in Quantum Mechanics,
maybe not but still possible.:rolleyes:
 
To: Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine

Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine said:
Zdrastvuitsye, hola, shalom, salaam, Dia dhuit, namastar ji, hej, konnichiwa, squeak, meow, :wave: to Nobody.

Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine
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Waving back with a smile.
 
Yes, welcome to CR, Nobody. :)

Quite a famous name you have there. :D

And hope Bill sees this topic soon - he'll be glad for the direct answer, methinks. :)
 
Yes, Nobody. Didn't you have a run-in once with a fellow named Polyphemous?

Okay, everyone! Got it! Finally! The idea of creation going on from moment to moment appears to have originated with Thomas Aquinas. I'm still looking for a specific cite, but the answer was good ol' St. Tom. Neo-Platonist is right, Friend Fool!

Thanks for your input, everyone.
 
Heh, glad you found it. Aquinas, eh? One of your targeted suspects in the first place. :)
 
To:WHKeith

WHKeith said:
Yes, Nobody. Didn't you have a run-in once with a fellow named Polyphemous?

Okay, everyone! Got it! Finally! The idea of creation going on from moment to moment appears to have originated with Thomas Aquinas. I'm still looking for a specific cite, but the answer was good ol' St. Tom. Neo-Platonist is right, Friend Fool!

Thanks for your input, everyone.
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"Nobody,knows nobody"
 
Definitely not Christian, I would say. Nor any of the People of the Book.
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er, that's not really the case. kabbalistic ideas definitely touch on this concept. in fact, the lurianic idea of the universe somehow existing "inside" G!D are extremely similar to those expressed in hinduism. similar ideas have come into islamic mysticism via sufi orders.

b'shalom

bananabrain
 
To: bananabrain.

bananabrain said:
er, that's not really the case. kabbalistic ideas definitely touch on this concept. in fact, the lurianic idea of the universe somehow existing "inside" G!D are extremely similar to those expressed in hinduism. similar ideas have come into islamic mysticism via sufi orders.

b'shalom

bananabrain
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Not sure who you are addressing but I am replying just in
case. Inside God as I used it was only as a reference
and not as a fact. How could I or anyone else know whether
it's here or there or anywhere else, thus some reference is
used for the sake of expressing one's idea.
Anyway,thank you for sharing your opinion, I could have used
a better reference, but couldn't think of one without going into
great detail.
Sincerely,
Nobody
 
bananabrain said:
er, that's not really the case. kabbalistic ideas definitely touch on this concept. in fact, the lurianic idea of the universe somehow existing "inside" G!D are extremely similar to those expressed in hinduism. similar ideas have come into islamic mysticism via sufi orders.

b'shalom

bananabrain
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Namaste bb,

yep... pretty similar... though... it's not inside the mind of God, per se, rather.. God is everything.. anything that you see, think or conceive, is, in fact God :)

agreed. the Sufi order is one of the areas in which Buddhists and Muslims are able to build common ground and generate respect and tolerance for each others beliefs.
 
once again, with my tedious mantra

The subject is so simple, creation in the mind of God. It's the attitude and the accustomation that is new. So, think about my contribution, and maybe as you read it again and again, you will get accustomed to the idea and develop the attitude, that I also harbor in my heart and mind, although I am Catholic but a postgraduate one.

In the meantime, forgive me if I do derive some perverse pleasure at reading my erstwhile posts in the course of reviewing threads which happen to be in the forefront.

Susma Rio Sep said:
If God, then everything or nothing but God.

If not God, then nothing but everything is God.

Thus speaks Dr. Susma, from the University of Hardknocks.

I think you are in the right track. Everything is in the mind of God, and since in God there is no distinction of mind of God and God Himself, so God is all His mind. And since there is no distinction between what is in His mind and His mind, then we are all God and God is all in all.

The conclusion seems unchallengeable.

My personal concern is with my own conscious existence. Even though it seems inexorably conclusive that we are all parts and parcels of God; nonetheless I am quite attached to my own here and now conscious existence. And I would like to possess that conscious existence even after this earthly life.

Does science and techology hold the key? I am inclined to think so; but I won't around, sad to say.

Susma Rio Sep
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Note to Brian:

Just let me know if I am not within bounds. But I always make sure that my language is bereft of associations with the lower groin region of quadruped anatomy. My email address: pachomius2000@yahoo.com.sg.

Have a good day, everyone; and lighten up!

Susma Rio Sep
 
To: Susma Rio Sep:

Susma Rio Sep said:
The subject is so simple, creation in the mind of God. It's the attitude and the accustomation that is new. So, think about my contribution, and maybe as you read it again and again, you will get accustomed to the idea and develop the attitude, that I also harbor in my heart and mind, although I am Catholic but a postgraduate one.




It's the idea of looking at a piece of abstract sculpture, each viewing
it from a different point,seeing ,thinking and believing differently.
I (nobody) looks at the whole picture when possible, I call it omni-
thinking or omni-awareness if that makes any sense? anyhow it helps
me to think about what others have to say and often I learn some-
thing in return.
Sincerely.
Nobody
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Path to wisdom

Namaste, Nobody.

Congratulations. You are in the path to wisdom.

But don't forget your family and home, your wife and kids. If you don't have any, go and establish both. Every squirrels do.

Susma Rio Sep



Nobody said:
Susma Rio Sep said:
The subject is so simple, creation in the mind of God. It's the attitude and the accustomation that is new. So, think about my contribution, and maybe as you read it again and again, you will get accustomed to the idea and develop the attitude, that I also harbor in my heart and mind, although I am Catholic but a postgraduate one.


It's the idea of looking at a piece of abstract sculpture, each viewing
it from a different point,seeing ,thinking and believing differently.
I (nobody) looks at the whole picture when possible, I call it omni-
thinking or omni-awareness if that makes any sense? anyhow it helps
me to think about what others have to say and often I learn some-
thing in return.
Sincerely.
Nobody
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