Aidyl Nurhadi said:
On who's authority do I call them the rafidah?...I thought I made that clear....the Ijma' Ulama'....ahlul sunnah wal jama'ah is a term that the ulama' came up with to describe those who truly follow the Prophet and his teachings..it's only a description and is by no means a substitution for the word Islam or Muslim....The rafidah consider themselves Muslims, so do Qadiyanis, Ahmadiyyas etc. etc. Ahlul SUnnah Wal Jama'ah is simply a connotation created by the ulama' to distinguish those who truly accept the authentic teachings of the Prophet s.a.w. from the ones who don't i.e. the rafidah, sufi etc.
The problem here is that there is no DIVINE authority involved in the Ijma' Ulama. It's the opinions of men Vs the opinions of men.
You should realise that a consensus doesn't make you right. At the end of the day, according to the Hadith about the 73 sects, it will be the MINORITY who are actually in the right.
The sciences of the hadith is bid'ah?....this is a very kufr statement to make aburaees...This is exactly what the rafidah would like us all to believe.....and it seems you've been ensnared by them.
You misunderstand me.
Don't presume that all innovations are bad, they're NOT.
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Bukhari Volume 3, Book 32, Number 227: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/032.sbt.html#003.032.227)
What I'm saying is that the sciences of Hadith WEREN'T REVEALED to us, they were developed by men.
You might think that the ahadith were only compiled through oral transmission only after the time of the Prophet s.a.w. This idea comes from orientalists who have no idea what they're talking about....the ahadith for a fact were written even during the Prophet's time, for example there's the As Sahifah As-Sadiqah compiled by Abdullah bin 'Amar.....The ahlul sunnah wal jama'ah(hanafi, hanbali, maliki, syafi'e etc.) do not have different ways or methods of classifying the veracity of ahadith aburaees...maybe you're talking about between the rafidah and the Muslims..if that is the case then yes we do have very distinct ways of classifying ahadith...
If this is a fact, that the Hadith were "written" during the prophet's time, there must be some Daleel you can offer me? Maybe there's an ancient manuscript that has existed from this time?
the rafidah for instance only accept so called ahadith of the ahlul bait(most of which are not accepted by the majority of Muslims as authentic)and reject all others....
Not surprised considering the following extract from Sahih Muslim Book 031, number 5920:
I am leaving among you two weighty things: the one being the Book of Allah in which there is right guidance and light, so hold fast to the Book of Allah and adhere to it. He exhorted (us) (to hold fast) to the Book of Allah and then said: The second are the members of my household
In light of this, I wonder why Hadiths from the members of the Prophet's household aren't accepted by the majority of Mulsims?
they believe that Aisyah r.a. was a prostitute astaghfirullah...and Abu Bakr r.a. was a kafir..astaghfirullah.....there are many sects of the rafidah who refuse to pray 5 times and pray only 3 times a day...and I believe Shia Zidiyyah permits the consumption of alcohol....
As for Shia Ithna Ashari, the foremost school of thought amongst the shias, there is no belief that Aisha and Abu Bakr were like that at all. Sure they DISAGREE with some of the actions of the prominent companions, but the companions were prone to disagree amongst themselves. Last time I checked, liking Aisha and Abu Bakr was not an "article of faith".
There are Hadiths that support performing the 5 prayers at 3 times during the day. As a Salafi you would know that, I'm sure. The Hadiths (Bukhari) in which prayers were combined don't always imply that certain conditions had to be fulfilled.
As for consumption of alcohol, this forbidden in the Qur'an. It's a completely different matter to the combining of prayers, which is permissible as far as both sides are concerned (though with differing conditions).
Aburaees..no sane Muslim will ever reject a hadith that has been classified as authentic.....I would reject the ahadith classified as authentic by Bukhari if I knew what they implied?....do not be so presumptuous as to think I would fall to your level....
You're right that I shouldn't be presumptious. Maybe you'd be willing to explain to me why you believe the following Hadiths to be 100% authentic beyond doubt...
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Bukhari said:
Volume 1, Book 3, Number 130:
Narrated Anas bin Malik: "Once Mu'adh was along with Allah's Apostle as a companion rider. Allah's Apostle said, "O Mu'adh bin Jabal." Mu'adh replied, "Labbaik and Sa'daik. O Allah's Apostle!" Again the Prophet said, "O Mu'adh!" Mu'adh said thrice, "Labbaik and Sa'daik, O Allah's Apostle!" Allah's Apostle said, "There is none who testifies sincerely that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and Muhammad is his Apostle, except that Allah, will save him from the Hell-fire." Mu'adh said, "O Allah's Apostle ! Should I not inform the people about it so that they may have glad tidings?" He replied, "When the people hear about it, they will solely depend on it." Then Mu'adh narrated the above-mentioned Hadith just before his death, being afraid of committing sin (by not telling the knowledge).
This one seems to imply that the first pillar of Islam is all that we really need at the end of the day.
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Bukhari said:
Bukhari Volume 6, Book 61, Number 512:
Narrated Al-Bara:
There was revealed: 'Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and those who strive and fight in the Cause of Allah.' (4.95)
The Prophet said, "Call Zaid for me and let him bring the board, the inkpot and the scapula bone (or the scapula bone and the ink pot)."' Then he said, "Write: 'Not equal are those Believers who sit..", and at that time 'Amr bin Um Maktum, the blind man was sitting behind the Prophet . He said, "O Allah's Apostle! What is your order For me (as regards the above Verse) as I am a blind man?" So, instead of the above Verse, the following Verse was revealed:
'Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame etc.) and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah.' (4.95)
This one seems to imply that a blind man corrected Allah's Qur'an! That Allah didn't have the foresight to reveal this verse correctly until a blind man complained about it?? How do YOU accept this Hadith? If you could explain it to me, maybe you'll be saving a soul.
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