libertylover76
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lighten up, and don't take yourself too seriously ...
Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Now that's funny!
lighten up, and don't take yourself too seriously ...
I remember the first time I saw the great pyramid a Ghiza; I was going right past it in a minibus. When I was close up I looked out the window and saw something but I had no idea what I was looking at. It really is tremendously huge. When we'd travelled on I looked back and realised what I'd missed.
-VC
Not many other religons span back as far Historically as CHristianity does. (in judaism) It was not just started in 600 AD were there was nothing before it.
Thomas[/quote said:Your original questions:
1. Consistently self-contradictory.
Biblical scholarship has covered this point in some depth. The various traditions that weave the stuff of Scripture have been highlighted, although there is still much work to be done.
2. The history is bogus.
Two points:
It is the perception by a people of God, and of the world, who did the best with what they knew.
Just over a century ago science insisted that Moses could not have written the Pentateuch because writing was not invented then ... then archeologists discovered writing older even than Moses ... all secular sciences are under revision ... in a few generations the science you live by will be deemed bogus ... and I bet most of what we understand as history would be ogus if we knew what was really going on...
3. The science is pure nonsense.
Ditto. When the inventor demonstrated the phonograph, scientists accused him of throwing his voice... And as science does not possess all the answers, it's not really in a position to make absolute statements.
4. None of the predictions have come true.
That's a matter of opinion.
5. I don't understand how the OT points to Jesus or the Christ, any more than Nostrodamus' writings point to "Hisler." Sure, after-the-fact the NT was written to try to tie into the OT, but so what?
If you don't understand, ask someone to explain. If you don't want to understand, don't vex yourself.
Thomas
Hi,
Not many perhaps. Aren't the Hindu Vedas considered to be the oldest religious texts? The oldest was apparently completed in about 1500 BCE, after composition over several hundred years, possibly after a long period of oral transmisssion.
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which it does
Hey Chris,
The only reason I used a link is so I would not have to type them all out and yes I have studied these things and pretty content with context, content, and the conclusion. Have you also truly studied it and came to the conclusion that it is a myth and should be dismissed? Or did you also make facts fit a conclusion that you had already arrived at?
Steetbob,
The link's odds specified on the first page is based on the assumption that the NT was accurately recorded and not made to purposely agree with the OT by those in control.
Hey Joesph,
Most scholars believe that the bible is the most accurate book from antiquity. There are over 25000 manuscripts of the New Testament in our hands dating within 200 years of the orginal documents so going back as close to the first century. Do you believe in the Trojan wars? There is only 8 documents recording the stories written 1000 years after the fact, yet scholars still take it as fact. THis is just an example.
"Your conclusion and assumption of accuracy of prophecies is based on a conclusion that was biased by your starting belief that there was no attempt on the NT writers part or the persons responsible for its inclusion in the Bible to make it agree. So of course it would seem like a logical conclusion."
What would be the motive? So Peter could be hang on a cross upside down? So Paul could get his head cut off? What is his gain? So some could be stoned and pulled in half be horses? Whipped and hung? Burned at the stake be nero in 70AD. These people knew Christ on a personal level and seen the risen CHrist and died gruesome deaths and not one recanted? What did they gain? nothing...there is no motive.
On top of that some non believers back in the day could of said "hey he was not born in Bethelem, whats the deal? Here is the census! or the romans could of said "here is the body of Jesus" the whole movement would of been stopped. yet history is silent! This is the tip of the Iceberg! There is over 100 prophecies on Christ alone. History is silent on all of them.
Jesus himself said "all scripture must be fulfilled". He either is Lord, liar, or lunatic.
Steetbob,
The link's odds specified on the first page is based on the assumption that the NT was accurately recorded and not made to purposely agree with the OT by those in control.
Hey Joesph,
Most scholars believe that the bible is the most accurate book from antiquity. There are over 25000 manuscripts of the New Testament in our hands dating within 200 years of the orginal documents so going back as close to the first century. Do you believe in the Trojan wars? There is only 8 documents recording the stories written 1000 years after the fact, yet scholars still take it as fact. THis is just an example.
Streetbob,
I guess a lot depends on which scholars you ask. Christian scholars would of couse agree with your statement. Scholars and historians that have studied the Bible without a Christian bias may not agree with your statement. From what I know of history, I would say that even the history of the trojan wars have errors in them. Modern history teachers themselves will tell you that what we teach in schools is not always an accurate portrayl of what happened. ie; civil war, indian war, civil right etc etc. Even history is slanted.
Men perceive things differently and from different points of view. In my view, As long as men write books, there will be errors.
Peace,
JM