Covenant Breaker website?

Honestly my friend, not to call you out or anything, I think the real reason why you are [critcizing the baha'i religion] is because of popeyes comment (paraphrase) that [M]atrixism is just something created by someone who was bored.

You are partly correct Popeysays did in fact make a rude and uneccessary attack on another religion that being Matrixism. But I'm not upset by any means. I am just trying to point out that Matrixism stands on equally firm ground as the baha'i religion.

If you read the Matrixism website I think that it is apparent that Pathists don't believe in the movie as mythology but rather as metaphor or analogy. I think that there is a difference.

Also I disagree that the baha'i religion with you when you say that the baha'i religion is not based on mythology. Baha'is do believe in a virgin Mary afterall. They also have quite a bit of writing that says that baha'u'llah is omnipotent. Paraphrasing: "I baha'u'llah could change all of this creation and even end your existence right now but it is only by wisdom and mercy that I don't."

Again referring to the passage I quoted from your last post; I would glady cease pointing out the inconsistentcies of the baha'i religion, recognize it as a valid religion and even begin capitalizing the word "baha'i" if baha'is were to give equal respect to other religions including Matrixism.

Is it a deal?
 
You are partly correct Popeysays did in fact make a rude and uneccessary attack on another religion that being Matrixism. But I'm not upset by any means. I am just trying to point out that Matrixism stands on equally firm ground as the baha'i religion.

If you read the Matrixism website I think that it is apparent that Pathists don't believe in the movie as mythology but rather as metaphor or analogy. I think that there is a difference.

Also I disagree that the baha'i religion with you when you say that the baha'i religion is not based on mythology. Baha'is do believe in a virgin Mary afterall. They also have quite a bit of writing that says that baha'u'llah is omnipotent. Paraphrasing: "I baha'u'llah could change all of this creation and even end your existence right now but it is only by wisdom and mercy that I don't."

Again referring to the passage I quoted from your last post; I would glady cease pointing out the inconsistentcies of the baha'i religion, recognize it as a valid religion and even begin capitalizing the word "baha'i" if baha'is were to give equal respect to other religions including Matrixism.

Is it a deal?

The quote (in RED above) you attribute to Baha`u'llah does not exist in any of His writings, nor in any of Abdu'l Baha's, nor Shoghi Effendi's. I just ran it through "OCean's" Google search of the writings-it's a misquote, not even a paraphrase.

As to the virgin birth of Jesus, Christianity upholds it, The Qur'an upholds it and the Baha`i Writings uphold it, but we believe that God "willed" it to be, not that any of God's sperm or DNA was involved. God has no gender nor physical form, so by Baha`i understanding it is impossible for him to be the 'genetic' father of Jesus.

"1637. Christ -- Virgin Birth of
"First regarding the birth of Jesus Christ. In the light of what Bahá'u'lláh and 'Abdu'l-Bahá have stated concerning this subject it is evident that Jesus came into this world through the direct intervention of the Holy Spirit, and that consequently His birth was quite miraculous. This is an established fact, and the friends need not feel at all surprised, as the belief in the possibility of miracles has never been rejected in the Teachings. Their importance, however, has been minimized."
(From a letter dated December 31, 1937 written on behalf of the Guardian to an individual believer)
1638. Miracles are Always Possible
"Again with regard to your question relative to the birth of Jesus; he wishes me to inform you that there is nothing further he can add to the explanation he have you in his previous communication regarding this point. One thing, however, he wishes again to bring to your attention, namely that miracles are always possible, even though they do not constitute a regular channel whereby God reveals His power to mankind. To reject miracles on the ground that they imply a breach of the laws of nature is a very shallow, well-nigh a stupid argument, inasmuch as God Who is the Author of the universe can, in His Wisdom and Omnipotence, bring any change, no matter how temporary, in the operation of the laws which He Himself has created.
"The Teachings do not tell us of any miraculous birth besides that of Jesus."
(From a letter dated February 27, 1938 written on behalf of the Guardian to an individual believer)"
(Compilations, Lights of Guidance, p. 489)

I really have no interest in "Matrixism" at all, other than where it misrepresents the Baha`i Faith.

Regards,
Scott
 
Hi All,

I know this topic can be quite sensitive and I would like to remind everyone that this is the Baha'i Forum. While it is appropriate to ask questions and discuss the Baha'i Faith in this forum, I might suggest the Comparative Religion Board for discussions ranging outside the scope of interested questions and discussion. :)

COC said:
CR is intended to be a useful reference resource for people looking to find out more about specific religions.

In that regard, CR employs a “walled garden” approach to the individual faith boards.

This means that the individual faith boards are for persons of that faith to discuss faith issues in the context of their faith, and invite interested questions and discussions from persons outside of that faith about it.

CR does not support direct attacks on any faith, and suitable critical evaluations about any faith needs to be made on a more neutral board, such as the Comparative Studies, or Politics and Society, if it involves critical discussion of political events.
 
Honestly my friend, not to call you out or anything, I think the real reason why you are [critcizing the baha'i religion] is because of popeyes comment (paraphrase) that [M]atrixism is just something created by someone who was bored.

You are partly correct Popeysays did in fact make a rude and uneccessary attack on another religion that being Matrixism. But I'm not upset by any means. I am just trying to point out that Matrixism stands on equally firm ground as the baha'i religion.

If you read the Matrixism website I think that it is apparent that Pathists don't believe in the movie as mythology but rather as metaphor or analogy. I think that there is a difference.

Also I disagree that the baha'i religion with you when you say that the baha'i religion is not based on mythology. Baha'is do believe in a virgin Mary afterall. They also have quite a bit of writing that says that baha'u'llah is omnipotent. Paraphrasing: "I baha'u'llah could change all of this creation and even end your existence right now but it is only by wisdom and mercy that I don't."

Again referring to the passage I quoted from your last post; I would glady cease pointing out the inconsistentcies of the baha'i religion, recognize it as a valid religion and even begin capitalizing the word "baha'i" if baha'is were to give equal respect to other religions including Matrixism.

Is it a deal?
 
""I baha'u'llah could change all of this creation and even end your existence right now but it is only by wisdom and mercy that I don't."
"

This isn't even a paraphrase.

It is a misrepresentation.

Kindly cite the quotation, or don't use it.

Regards,
Scott
 
Dynomight..

Paraphrasing:

"I baha'u'llah could change all of this creation and even end your existence right now but it is only by wisdom and mercy that I don't."

That's a very rough paraphrasing indeed...It's so "rough" I would urge you to supply where it came from...

- Art
 
I don't have any of the baha'i writings handy but I believe there are words to that effect in "The Book of Certitude" and/or "Epistle to the Son of the Wolf".

That aside how about our deal?
 
I don't have any of the baha'i writings handy but I believe there are words to that effect in "The Book of Certitude" and/or "Epistle to the Son of the Wolf".

That aside how about our deal?

You don't have any of the writings handy, but you are willing to tell us what they say?

The quotation appears in neither the Epistle to the Son of the Wolf, nor does it appear in the Kitab'i Iqan.

Not only have I googled the whole quotation you provided but all the constituent phrases which you attribute to Baha`u'llah.

If you're not willing to admit your error, why should I have any interest in any 'deal.'

If you want access to the baha`i Writings you can go to trueseeker.com and search on the web, or you can download Ocean which provides the sacred texts of the Baha`i Faith, Christianity, Islam, Taoism, Confucianism, Zoroastrianism, Hinduism, Sikhism and Jainism. If you do not have a fast connection you can request a disk, if you don't want to pay the cost of the disk and mailing, it will be sent to you at the expense of the publisher.

Right now, you're talking through your hat, and don't want to admit it.

Regards,
Scott
 
Popeye, you can't do a search for paraphrasing. It's not a quote. Anyhow, I am ceratin (no pun intended) that I have read words to that effect. I don't know what you want me to say. Do you want me to say that I never read such a thing even though I am quite certain that I did?

I have read "The Epistle to the Son of the Wolf" twice and "The Book of Certidude" once. I have no desire to re-read them.
 
Popeye, you can't do a search for paraphrasing. It's not a quote. Anyhow, I am ceratin (no pun intended) that I have read words to that effect. I don't know what you want me to say. Do you want me to say that I never read such a thing even though I am quite certain that I did?

I have read "The Epistle to the Son of the Wolf" twice and "The Book of Certidude" once. I have no desire to re-read them.

The absolute closest I can come by searching phrases (two words together at a time that are characteristic of the misquote you use) is this, I will append a citation so you can look it up yourself in context.

"Praise be unto Thee, O my God! Thou art He Who by a word of His mouth hath revolutionized the entire creation, and by a stroke of His pen hath divided Thy servants one from another. I bear witness, O my God, that through a word spoken by Thee in this Revelation all created things were made to expire, and through yet another word all such as Thou didst wish were, by Thy grace and bounty, endued with new life."
(Baha'u'llah, Prayers and Meditations by Baha'u'llah, p. 42)

While this bears some textual resemblance to your misquote, the intent is entirely different.

One more thing that I might point out is that quote marks NEVER go around a paraphrase. Quote marks make a claim to accuracy that paraphrase just ain't got.

Regards,
Scott
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Dyno...

If you're looking for some sort of apology...Baha'is try very hard not to offend anyone.. We are taught to consort with the followers of all religions... I would apologize if you think I offended you.

I think when you come up with paraphrases though and try to characterize them as being from the Baha'i Writings you could be very mistaken.. that's why we Baha'is are very careful when we quote things to be sure they are in our Writings...

As to Matrixism I really don't have any animosity toward people who want to claim that... If it's Jedi religion so be it.

- Art
 
Arthra,

I'm not the one who has been asking for an apology. That would be your Baha'i friend popeye who keeps demanding apologies.

Anyhoo, god luck to all with the Baha'i Faith. Truly I have no animosity towards it. Personally I'll stick with the path of the One and just have to wonder if that makes me a "covenant breaker".

Cheers,
DMight
 
Dyno...

If you're looking for some sort of apology...Baha'is try very hard not to offend anyone.. We are taught to consort with the followers of all religions... I would apologize if you think I offended you.

I think when you come up with paraphrases though and try to characterize them as being from the Baha'i Writings you could be very mistaken.. that's why we Baha'is are very careful when we quote things to be sure they are in our Writings...

As to Matrixism I really don't have any animosity toward people who want to claim that... If it's Jedi religion so be it.

- Art

Arthra,

I hope your observance of the Ascension of Abdu'l Baha was a joyous one. My wife and I just finished the Tablet of Visitation. It has always provided me with a lot of meaning to be part of the wave of prayer and remembrance that passes over the world as each time zone observe the Holy Day at 1:00 AM.

Regards,
Scott
 
Arthra,

I'm not the one who has been asking for an apology. That would be your Baha'i friend popeye who keeps demanding apologies.

Anyhoo, god luck to all with the Baha'i Faith. Truly I have no animosity towards it. Personally I'll stick with the path of the One and just have to wonder if that makes me a "covenant breaker".

Cheers,
DMight

Relax, you're not a covenant breaker. I believe I said that days ago.

Regards,
Scott
 
bye DynoMight,
Hopefully we can close the door to anymore misunderstandings and reside peacefully(relatively) in our respective domains.
Hello arthra thanks for greeting me.
Popeyesays, just getting your name right, I think I messed it up last time.
 
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