Matt Langley
Objectivist Christian
Some very interesting thoughts and ideas posed in this thread. I guess I'm going to be the one going against the flow and say I disagree lol... ahh well
In any case I value the conjecture and the thoughts even if my further words don't relate that well.
I agree with some ideas, the Old Testament (all the sources that make it up) is just as valid as the New Testament in my mind.
I mean if we take out the part where God created the world and Adam (and Eve) sinned then we wouldn't need the part where God fufills his promise and brings redemption to man.
Adam 1 (and Eve) sinned. We now pay the consequence of this sin, death. We do not inherit the sin, though just like reality we pay the consequence. Just like a crack baby pays the consequence for it's mothers drug usage. Such is the world and reality, things are not fair.
Now the remedy this problem God promised us a savior (Jesus of Nazareth). Jesus came and paid the price for our sins. God and Jesus (the trinity) now have paid for our sins, we simply must ask forgiveness for them and we are given it.
To me Jesus was not just a prophet. There is just Adam 1 and 2. The bible talks of Adam bringing sin into us (as well as the consequence, death) and that God would send another to remedy that, Jesus. Scripture seems very clear to me on this, then again we all have our own views.
If Jesus is not your lord and saviour you are going to hell. I never bought it. Now someone placed the thought that giving your sins to Jesus, allows you the get out of hell card despite your previous actions.
This thought leads to a divide, that the latest and greatest prophet is bringing us the latest and greatest word/message, and that somehow those in the older schools are lesser, or left behind because of that (Adam 1 put us to sleep, Adam 2 woke us up)
I agree with some ideas, the Old Testament (all the sources that make it up) is just as valid as the New Testament in my mind.
I mean if we take out the part where God created the world and Adam (and Eve) sinned then we wouldn't need the part where God fufills his promise and brings redemption to man.
Adam 1 (and Eve) sinned. We now pay the consequence of this sin, death. We do not inherit the sin, though just like reality we pay the consequence. Just like a crack baby pays the consequence for it's mothers drug usage. Such is the world and reality, things are not fair.
Now the remedy this problem God promised us a savior (Jesus of Nazareth). Jesus came and paid the price for our sins. God and Jesus (the trinity) now have paid for our sins, we simply must ask forgiveness for them and we are given it.
To me Jesus was not just a prophet. There is just Adam 1 and 2. The bible talks of Adam bringing sin into us (as well as the consequence, death) and that God would send another to remedy that, Jesus. Scripture seems very clear to me on this, then again we all have our own views.