Francis king
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god's wrath is a terrible thing.. angels putting red hot coals in your mouth, Him turning ur wife into a pillar of salt, drowning, burning, the full hit...
Wrath of God?
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Faithfulservant
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yet so many take their chances on that it might not be true....
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Silas
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I think people sort of likens God's wrath to getting aids. They say "it will never happen to me" and when they least expect it, they are face-to-face with their Creator, and His anger burns against them.
What a fearful thing!!
What a fearful thing!!
pattimax
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Amazing.
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Please explain, Karen. I'm not sure that I follow your thoughts here. I won't argue about everyone not experiencing unconditional love by man, but I truly believe that God's Love is available to all, and is witnessed in his creation. No need to debate this view, as I cannot possibly speak for any person but myself; I only offer my own thought on the subject.
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I absolutely, totally, 100% agree with you, James, His love is available to all at all times. Unfortunately, not everyone is capable of accepting God's love. For some, unconditional love is a completely foreign concept and it is met with suspicion. When you encounter someone who doesn't truly trust Him, if you look at their past, there is usually a lack of unconditional love.
Karen
Tis true....everyone that doesn't believe that Judaism is true is taking their chances...and then those that don't believe the bible is true...and then those that don't believe the Koran is true...or the Vedas or the Upanishads or...or...or... pick any one book and you could be denying what 10-20-100 other belief systems which all indicate some sort of penalty for not believing as they do? I've always thought that line was such a last ditch effort...like the insurance salesman walking out the door and then turning back and saying....well when that accident happens...folks are in one of two clubs, the glad I did club or the wish I would've club, you are making your choice.
If it takes the hard sell to complete the deal, either the salesman needs to better some technique or find another product.
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Judaism had it right up until Jesus Christ.
And as for a hard sell...God is good, he will handle it.
And as for a hard sell...God is good, he will handle it.
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Partakers of the Divine Nature freely accept the promises of God. This will cause believers to inquire as to whether they are truly transformed in the mind by applying the grace of the Holy Spirit and increasing in the knowledge of God.
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I agree with most of your statement here, but I disagree with your sentiment that not every one is capable of accepting God's love. To me, it sounds like you're are limiting god, or doubting his authority. All can know, and understand, and accept God in heart; to say differently is to make God subject to man, and that is not the case. We all can, just all do not. It's not a matter of can - can't, it's a matter of choice.
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God is infinite and completely authoritative. Through no fault of their own, some do not have the ability to choose. I am NOT saying they cannot be taught.
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Francis king
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I say we should all revolt when the time comes... stuff God... what makes him better than us, anyways...
Faithfulservant
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I love you Inlove and Im sorry that I am using you as an example..
The stuff that francis says offends me and Im sure a few others..
The stuff Silas says offends you and 3/4 of this forum...
Why does everyone jump all over Silas talking about Christian beliefs on a Christian forum and not francis who completely hates everything we believe and stand for as Christians and is bold enough to say it. Why is he censored and not her? What comes to my mind is that in the latter days what is good is called bad and what is bad is called good... and many will hate us for His name's sake.. I cant help but see the similarities.
Doesnt anyone see this besides me? Im curious.
The stuff that francis says offends me and Im sure a few others..
The stuff Silas says offends you and 3/4 of this forum...
Why does everyone jump all over Silas talking about Christian beliefs on a Christian forum and not francis who completely hates everything we believe and stand for as Christians and is bold enough to say it. Why is he censored and not her? What comes to my mind is that in the latter days what is good is called bad and what is bad is called good... and many will hate us for His name's sake.. I cant help but see the similarities.
Doesnt anyone see this besides me? Im curious.
lunamoth
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I also think that Francis' remark above was inappropriate for this forum...even if I can understand some of the motivation behind it. This is just my opinion, but I think that the idea of CR is that when we post in a particular religion's forum we should try to be respectful, even where we disagree. No one is going to be perfect...we all shoot off one-liners...we're adults and human so there's bound to be some heated words for time to time, but in general I agree that a pattern of just taking shots is uncalled for, against the spirit of the forum if not the letter of the COC.
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added: Faithful, I have seen the mods here make replies to pretty much every flavor of Christianity that posts here when they have made inappropriate remarks. It was not too long ago that Q and Juan both moderating comments from a couple of the more liberal members posting in this forum in the same way conservative members have been moderated.
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added: Faithful, I have seen the mods here make replies to pretty much every flavor of Christianity that posts here when they have made inappropriate remarks. It was not too long ago that Q and Juan both moderating comments from a couple of the more liberal members posting in this forum in the same way conservative members have been moderated.
There is a difference between attacking a person, and discarding a concept. When it becomes personal, no one has the right to belittle another.
Silas has issued expressions quite often that are blatently predjudicical toward others. That is quite different than throwing an off colored comment into the waters as bait and see who bights (bites).
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Joshua
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Faithfulservant, don't worry about using me for an example. What I say and do here stands in Truth or it doesn't. I love you too. You are an intelligent woman and I admire you. And you love Christ Jesus.
The reason I have problems with Silas is because he will not listen to anyone but himself about Jesus. He condemns everyone. You and Dor are the only ones left.
Francis is very different from Silas, but she is also misunderstood. But it is not because she won't listen. She listens with all her heart.
Every now and then, she just speaks up. We may not like what she says too much when she says it, but by golly, I believe she speaks the Truth as she knows it.
So does Silas.
They seem to be in direct opposition to each other, but I have just got to admire both of them for telling the Truth as they each see it.
I don't know how to be any clearer on the subject.
I know where Silas is coming from, in a way. I just cannot understand why he claims to tell us about our Lord Jesus while insisting that we dwell constantly on the very things for which He came to deliver us.
I know it isn't easy. But I do love you, and I know you are sincere.
We will all get through it. Me, you, Silas, and Francis.
We already are doing that.
I apologize for losing my cool, but Silas has been beating me over the head about the Saviour who has been with me all along. I just wish he could see this.
InPeace,
InLove
Edited to add: There is no one here that I can name that Silas has not banished to Hell. Given enough rope, he will do it to you and Dor as well. That is why I am so frustrated with him. We have all tried to help him. I know he is sincere, but I know where he comes from, and I am not going there ever again, God help me.
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Hi Guys--
Okay--I've slept since my last post. Hopefully I will do better with the one I am writing here.
First of all, I apologize for talking about Silas and not to him. And I apologize for speaking for Francis. It isn't my place, just like it isn't my place to back up a statement like the one she made here. I wasn't supporting what she said--I was trying to make her laugh and maybe I did. But you are right. It was the wrong thing to say here. So, I'm sorry, everyone.
I will try to stay out of these sort of discussions from now on, if they are here in the Christian forum. Anger does give a foothold, and so I will try and look the other way. I cannot promise, though, that I will keep my mouth shut on the "Lib" board if he comes looking to preach there anymore.
Well, I'm trying here to compose something worthwhile, but I am not doing so well at it. So I will leave the issue alone now.
I'll see y'all around in less frustrating circumstances. Catch ya later.
InPeace,
InLove
Okay--I've slept since my last post. Hopefully I will do better with the one I am writing here.
First of all, I apologize for talking about Silas and not to him. And I apologize for speaking for Francis. It isn't my place, just like it isn't my place to back up a statement like the one she made here. I wasn't supporting what she said--I was trying to make her laugh and maybe I did. But you are right. It was the wrong thing to say here. So, I'm sorry, everyone.
I will try to stay out of these sort of discussions from now on, if they are here in the Christian forum. Anger does give a foothold, and so I will try and look the other way. I cannot promise, though, that I will keep my mouth shut on the "Lib" board if he comes looking to preach there anymore.
Well, I'm trying here to compose something worthwhile, but I am not doing so well at it. So I will leave the issue alone now.
I'll see y'all around in less frustrating circumstances. Catch ya later.
InPeace,
InLove