God's works, scripture based or not.

Nope some of us will be with him and some of us will be wishing we were.:)
So the disciples thought the second coming was eminent, in their lifetime. And in the past 2,000 years there have been thousands more predictions and millions if not billions that were sure it was yet again eminent...and in their lifetimes... Every generation has had their biblical evidence that the current world conditions are proof the time is nigh...and they've all been wrong. Today it continues...as seven 'days' of creation took millenia...I wouldn't be surprised if in 10 billion years that generation will also think the end of times are near...
wil said:
thousands of theologians, linguists, archeologists, translators...who have spent often the better part of their lives researching this information to create these translations....what an incredible time we live in.

I'd say those lives of dedication to G-d and the interpretation of his word are a symbol of his works.
 
So the disciples thought the second coming was eminent, in their lifetime. And in the past 2,000 years there have been thousands more predictions and millions if not billions that were sure it was yet again eminent...and in their lifetimes... Every generation has had their biblical evidence that the current world conditions are proof the time is nigh...and they've all been wrong. Today it continues...as seven 'days' of creation took millenia...I wouldn't be surprised if in 10 billion years that generation will also think the end of times are near...

i once thought that during their lifetime the apostles thought that Christ would return, but then He gave me this scripture:

II Thessalonians 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

and also this one:
II Peter 3That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour: Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
kind of long? i know, but amazing and beautiful? you betcha! we must be steadfast. i know in my heart that we are in the last days. praise , God! from everlasting to everlasting. amen.
 
Even Jesus didn't know while he could tell us, it's not about prediction, it's about staying ready.

(just in case you needed someone to point out the obvious)
 
Legalism is when you refuse to acknowledge how much God loves you and/or you fear offending him because you broke some man made rule. What truly offends God is fear. It is also not a good idea to get out of his perfect will.

i am sorry if i let you down, patti.
 
i take it you don't believe we are in the latter days, wil? explain why please. thanks.
The main reason I don't believe 'the end is near' I suppose is because everyone since Biblical times has thought that. Every generation has found their prophecy to indicate the time is now.

I don't see where it matters whether it will be the next minute or the next millenia. It seems like your mother saying you'd better wear clean underwear in case you get in an auto accident. Isn't it easier just to always wear clean underwear??

Do I need to worry that I do right, right now because I am concerned about Jesus walking around the corner and catching me doing the wrong thing...uh no...I think we should be doing the right thing all the time...period. Did I always think that way...uh no...did I need some threat of fire and brimstone to change me??...uh no.
 
look, wil, i completely understand what you mean by having clean underwear or doing the right thing, man. believe me, i do! but doing the right thing as opposed as looking for Him are two completely different things. it just seems like you yourself are tired of waiting for Him and it doesn't matter as long as, " i am doing the right thing AAAALLL the time." please read the scripture and tell me what you think.
Matthew 24 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods. But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
also, if you read matthew 25 the parable of the ten virgins, it will give you insight on what it is like to be waiting for Him. to me, and i don't know about you, it is like i am waiting for my wife and children whom i hadn't seen in a long time. do you remember when you were a child and your mom or dad left and you were waiting for them by the window to get home?i guess it is something like that. hope you understand. hope to hear from you soon.
 
it just seems like you yourself are tired of waiting for Him
I'm not tired of waiting...I'm not waiting. I am not dictating that this should occur in my lifetime...just as the last hundred generations couldn't dicatate when, where and how, despite their predictions.

What I am doing is living today as if it could be the day, every day, what happens tomorrow I'll find out tomorrow. People who study and get paid to forcast the weather can't do it. We know what seven days of G-d's time is, and the next phase will also be in G-d's time...
 
you're right, man, in thinking the way you think.
Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
vaya con Dios, hermano.
 
i am sorry, i have no idea what you meant.:confused:

Legalism is all about laws and the bi-products of living by laws. You had a law for yourself that you somehow had let down patti.. and you felt remorse over the fact that you couldnt keep that law... that is legalism..

Christ frees us from that. We are under the law of love the Lord thy God and love thy neighbor... we are not under a law of whether we should or should not celebrate easter because it may or may not have been corrupted by paganism. Its a law that weighs you down and takes away from the awesome grace thats in the Lord Jesus Christ. It takes Jesus off the throne and puts someone or something else (law) on it. Because Jesus told you what the law was.... :)

Please read the book of Romans. Find a good commentary on it and study it. I think that the Spirit will lead you to a wonderful understanding of Grace and Mercy that is in our Lord.
 
I believe the "end is near", possibly in my lifetime. I think the signs all point in that direction.

I don't see where it matters whether it will be the next minute or the next millenia. It seems like your mother saying you'd better wear clean underwear in case you get in an auto accident. Isn't it easier just to always wear clean underwear??
I used to wait for Christ's return because I wanted to go to Heaven. I've learned a lot lately about making the here and now heaven (ie "the kingdom of Heaven is within you") and I'd agree about being ready all the time.

I still want to go to Heaven - it's just that I'm content, in the mean time, to make this world Heaven.

I want live each day so that any day I could hear (like the thief on the cross) "I say unto you today - you will be with me in paradise".

Who wouldn't?
 
I believe the "end is near", possibly in my lifetime. I think the signs all point in that direction.


I used to wait for Christ's return because I wanted to go to Heaven. I've learned a lot lately about making the here and now heaven (ie "the kingdom of Heaven is within you") and I'd agree about being ready all the time.

I still want to go to Heaven - it's just that I'm content, in the mean time, to make this world Heaven.

I want live each day so that any day I could hear (like the thief on the cross) "I say unto you today - you will be with me in paradise".

Who wouldn't?

Let me tell you something about Jesus Christ. You could be a fence man on a post somewhere in Texas, repairing the wires, and your time comes to go home. To the man/gal that is doing the repair job, do they care whether heaven is within? They just want to go with Christ, and so they do.

God (according to the Bible), said so. So if we are disputing God (again), we are disputing His "word" (bible).

For Christians, that is a blatant "attack" on their whole precipise pertaining to the concept of GOD.

To Non Christians...it is a sick joke. However, this is a Christian forum, so respect is due...

v/r

Joshua

(nothing against you prob)
 
Let me tell you something about Jesus Christ. You could be a fence man on a post somewhere in Texas, repairing the wires, and your time comes to go home. To the man/gal that is doing the repair job, do they care whether heaven is within? They just want to go with Christ, and so they do.

God (according to the Bible), said so. So if we are disputing God (again), we are disputing His "word" (bible).

For Christians, that is a blatant "attack" on their whole precipise pertaining to the concept of GOD.

To Non Christians...it is a sick joke. However, this is a Christian forum, so respect is due...

v/r

Joshua

(nothing against you prob)
:confused::confused::confused: totally confused as to what exactly precipitated this...I'm completely unclear. I'm missing the attack, the joke, the lack of respect?? And speaking of respect...don't see how it can ever start with "Let me tell you something....
 
Sorry Im confused also.. Probers post sums up pretty much how I feel about the Lords return and living in the kingdom of heaven in the now. Maybe Q misread it?
 
Legalism is all about laws and the bi-products of living by laws. You had a law for yourself that you somehow had let down patti.. and you felt remorse over the fact that you couldnt keep that law... that is legalism..

Christ frees us from that. We are under the law of love the Lord thy God and love thy neighbor... we are not under a law of whether we should or should not celebrate easter because it may or may not have been corrupted by paganism. Its a law that weighs you down and takes away from the awesome grace thats in the Lord Jesus Christ. It takes Jesus off the throne and puts someone or something else (law) on it. Because Jesus told you what the law was.... :)

Please read the book of Romans. Find a good commentary on it and study it. I think that the Spirit will lead you to a wonderful understanding of Grace and Mercy that is in our Lord.

let me ask you a question. are you happy in this world? because i am not. this world sucks. everything in it is a nightmare. it is total chaos and disorder. in other words, i am not happy here at all. i understand that Christ came to lift the burden and believe me when i say that i know the veil has been lifted and i can see everything through His eyes. what i see is total sin. i see myself and my "self", this flesh, is disgusting. i am ever grateful that my Father has given me the priveledge, even though i don't deserve it, to see thru His eyes and see everything for what it is. that is revelation! now, to further explain why i feel the way i do, this scripture explains it:

Luke 7 And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head. Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet. My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment.Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.
i am that woman. i understand how she feels. she is tired of this world like i am. all i ask from Christ is that when His Kingdom sets in, and it will be soon, is that He is gracious enough to remember the dogs that eat off the Master's table. great, now i got a ball in my throat. so i don't know about any legalism that is mentioned in the Bible, but i do know this, from dust we came and to dust we will return. amen and amen.
 
Sorry Im confused also.. Probers post sums up pretty much how I feel about the Lords return and living in the kingdom of heaven in the now. Maybe Q misread it?
I opine that time is what is alotted us, not to be wasted wishing for a quick end. God has plans for us, and expects us to act on those plans, and not worry about tomorrow. I think life is fantastic, regardless of our particular position at a specific moment...the alternative is what sucks.

Think of your life if you will, as a "talent" given you by the master...what do you plan to do with that talent?

Like my wife's ferrets, and the lowly bird of the sky. They know not self pity, nor the impending end. They ask for nothing from anyone, but give all they have to that wich gave them their life and purpose. And they go to their grave never feeling sorry or remorseful for themselves.

I'm not berating any of you. I'm simply expressing my opinion of life and what it means to me. Yes, I want to see God face to face, but I am in no hurry, because I have a job here that He expects me to do to the best of my ability, first. And He expects me to be "pleased" with what He has given me, right now, and here.

I love life, mine, yours, everyones.

The way I see it, humanity "may" be wicked to the core, but life is not. It 'tis, the most precious commodity we posess...not to be discarded or dis-regarded. (gets off the soap box)

now on to our regular broadcast...;) :D
 
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