I am Judas

Quahom1 said:
eh, not quite. Silas was content to tell the rest of us, that we had Judas in us, adnauseum. When someone comes in with a wound, it isn't nice to stick a finger in it and twist...that simply sets people off. You wouldn't do that to an injured animal stuck in a corner...they might come out biting and scratching.
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You are right Q. It is one thing for us to see our own sin and capacity for sin, it's another to wallow in it or push it on others.
 
lunamoth said:
You are right Q. It is one thing for us to see our own sin and capacity for sin, it's another to wallow in it or push it on others.
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Indeed.
Man has the laws written onto his heart. It isn't neccessary to have someone else read it for him.

I consider the Pharasee who tells God how good he is and how bad everyone else is, and then there is the wretched soul in the back of the temple simply asking God to have mercy on him. He knows who and what he is, and needs no one else to drill it into him.
 
Forgive me all. I am not Judas.

I am a soldier. I come over the hill and see others mocking a man that they have hung, and I raise my rifle to stop them. But everytime I try to sight in on one of the mockers, I find the hung man in my cross hairs and it shakes me to my core. So I march down the hill, while the mockers run in fear, because they do not know me. And I take my position at the foot of the hung man, and stand guard, while he gives up his life for all...

While I weep.
 
Dor said:
Q, do you consider yourself a good person?
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Lol, I'm the meanest SOB you will ever meet, but with the grace of God, I keep it in check, mostly...:eek:
 
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Quahom1 said:
Forgive me all. I am not Judas.

I am a soldier. I come over the hill and see others mocking a man that they have hung, and I raise my rifle to stop them. But everytime I try to sight in on one of the mockers, I find the hung man in my cross hairs and it shakes me to my core. So I march down the hill, while the mockers run in fear, because they do not know me. And I take my position at the foot of the hung man, and stand guard, while he gives up his life for all...

While I weep.
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I know Q, and I don't mean to imply that you or I or anyone here would betray Jesus. But I do think we harbor the capacity for really evil deeds and given the right conditions...I pray I would not make the wrong choice. But, really atrocious things have been done by people who thought they were doing good. I'm just relating to that...

Sometimes good and evil get all muddled up. I think the only safe path through the muddle is love. But I tend to get beat up every time I put that out there. :)
 
Quahom1 said:
Consider the situation he was in, and what he hoped for his people (he hated the roman occupation, and expected a leader to throw the yoke off once and for all). I think the only thing that could be said of Judas was that he was "short sighted" (kind of like the rest of us, now?)

He also took matters into his own hands, and we all know what happens when we do that, without guidance...

my 2c

v/r

Joshua
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back to Judas-

I understand what you are saying and I am sure he wanted to get rid of the Roman occupation, but I think current opinion is trying to make him look like a victim. The guy was a thief and a traitor.

.02

(now you can continue with heart laws)
 
pattimax said:
back to Judas-

I understand what you are saying and I am sure he wanted to get rid of the Roman occupation, but I think current opinion is trying to make him look like a victim. The guy was a thief and a traitor.

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(now you can continue with heart laws)
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I think you just identified all of mankind there.

:eek:
 
lunamoth said:
I know Q, and I don't mean to imply that you or I or anyone here would betray Jesus. But I do think we harbor the capacity for really evil deeds and given the right conditions...I pray I would not make the wrong choice. But, really atrocious things have been done by people who thought they were doing good. I'm just relating to that...

Sometimes good and evil get all muddled up. I think the only safe path through the muddle is love. But I tend to get beat up every time I put that out there. :)
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Agreed, just like my dream of taking out the "bad guys" only to find the "good guy" in my cross hairs. Best of intentions...:eek:
 
pattimax said:
You are absolutely right. Now if all of mankind would identify with Christ, we could get this show on the road.:)
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Like the woman who constantly bled...If I could just touch His robe...I would be healed...but there is a crowd in front of me, and I keep losing sight of Him. That is what the world has to contend with.

v/r

Joshua
 
Quahom1 said:
Like the woman who constantly bled...If I could just touch His robe...I would be healed...but there is a crowd in front of me, and I keep losing sight of Him. That is what the world has to contend with.

v/r

Joshua
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BTW - She did get to him and her faith helped heal her.
 
Quahom1 said:
Forgive me all. I am not Judas.
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Don't believe anyone thinks you are...but the contemplation that we've all gotta little Judas in us.

Jewish names had significance and traits attached to them...Judas is a deriviative of Judah...

JUDAS Gender: Masculine
Usage: Biblical
Pronounced: JOO-das [key]
Greek form of JUDAH.
JUDAH Gender: Masculine
Usage: Biblical, English
Pronounced: JOO-da [key]
From the Hebrew name יְהוּדָה (Yehudah) which meant "praised". Judah was one of the twelve sons of Jacob and the ancestor of the tribe of Judah in the Old Testament. This tribe led the Exodus from Egypt and eventually formed the kingdom of Judah in the south of Israel. King David and Jesus were descendents of Judah.
Metaphysically Judas symbolizes the unredeemed life forces and also appropriation or acquisitiveness. When the Judas faculty reaches the spiritual standard of life, it is known as Judah, whose office is praise and thanksgiving.

In looking up the Judaic meaning I ended up finding a Qabala thought on Judas where they posited that Judas thought Jesus would save himself, that after seeing Jesus perform all the miracles that he would easily overcome this as well...hence why he killed himself when things went wrong. They also identify other scripture which they feel imply that Jesus appointed Judas to the task. I had not read any of this before, all interesting contemplation. Especially Qabala discussion which seems accepting of Jesus as the second in the Trinity...have not read any of that before from a Jewish perspective either.
 
lunamoth said:
What I was hoping to get at with my OP is that as little as I like to admit it...I have Judas in me, I have darkness as well as light. It's the reason I need a Savior.

Can you identify with Judas?
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I identify more with David. He did stupid things and then realized it and humbly and honestly repented and G-d called him a man after his own heart. I feel like that. I do things that I really didn't want to do and then I'm sorry.

I would want G-d to call me a man after his own heart.
 
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