Francis king
Well-Known Member
no-one is bored of u, muslimwoman, u are one of the most intelligent and forthright ppl to have graced these boards in a long time...
i know u perceive me to make assumptions and be full of misconceptions but.. u buy something to wear, as a good muslim u know whats okay and what isnt, but u will then dismiss ur own opinion and accept ur husbands arguement, to please Allah... u come across as an intelligent women who is confident and has good self esteem, but my discomfort comes from my assumption that, regardless of the fact u are an intelligent and godly woman u would defer to ur husbands arguement... to please Allah...
yet, as u say, it is not the Quran that tells us that a see through dress is not a good thing, but comes from these suposed sayings of the prophet, which, if tao equus is right, were like the new testament bible and the gnostic gospels are today, and so these saying of the prophet would be apochrypa... or pseudographia...
u say in the olden days that u "... used to wear short skirts and had a cleavage I was rather proud of, I liked to look pretty. Now that I wear hijab - guess what - no men ever bother me.
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and so, to me, this suggests that u are quite aware of the power of ur own femininity, and have used it to ur advantage over time, and rather than be a sin, to me, that is part of the empowerment of women... rather than cover ourselves, it is only right that we should use what we have to get by, after all, men have had the upper hand for quite some time, and it is time they got a taste of their own medicine, in my humble opinion...
i have, incidentally, recently purchased a copy of the Quran, and maybe, just maybe, i shall actually read it, so that I can make my mind up as to what it is all about... u see, I hear good things about Islam, as a religion, it seems like, on the surface, a decent religion, and not that different to christianity, but I do not know any real living muslims, so I have only got what I get from the news as my education in Islam.. I recognise this as a deficit, hence my purchase of a quran, but then I am confronted with what I perceive to be the truth of Islam, the partriarchy, the sin, the hate, the veil, the jihad, and I am dissapointed with Islam because of this...
I am not trying to twist ur words to suit myself, but just trying to rouse u to think independently of what I presume to be ur cultural bindings... i know u wouldnt condemn me for that...
okay, u say that "Allah tells us that if we dress modestly men will recognise us as Muslim and not give us unwanted attention"... but to me, I find that alarming. To think that women have to behave a certain way so that men do not touch them up and try to have sex with them, well, to me that is distasteful. Okay, u then counter that by saying that muslim men also have the same proscriptions, but to me, again, it seems wrong...
u are obviously very knowledgable and I am learning new things here, about Islam, for instance, I did not know that four men would need to see copulation with their eyes before stoning could happen, and I certainly did not know that it would take 8 decent muslim women or 16 infidels, by comparision... to me, that just cements my view...
regarding the "some guy thing"... I did not realise u were referring to Mohammed, and would not have been so low as to speak ill of the prophet...
peace be upon him, and of course, u and urs also
cheerio
i know u perceive me to make assumptions and be full of misconceptions but.. u buy something to wear, as a good muslim u know whats okay and what isnt, but u will then dismiss ur own opinion and accept ur husbands arguement, to please Allah... u come across as an intelligent women who is confident and has good self esteem, but my discomfort comes from my assumption that, regardless of the fact u are an intelligent and godly woman u would defer to ur husbands arguement... to please Allah...
yet, as u say, it is not the Quran that tells us that a see through dress is not a good thing, but comes from these suposed sayings of the prophet, which, if tao equus is right, were like the new testament bible and the gnostic gospels are today, and so these saying of the prophet would be apochrypa... or pseudographia...
u say in the olden days that u "... used to wear short skirts and had a cleavage I was rather proud of, I liked to look pretty. Now that I wear hijab - guess what - no men ever bother me.
and so, to me, this suggests that u are quite aware of the power of ur own femininity, and have used it to ur advantage over time, and rather than be a sin, to me, that is part of the empowerment of women... rather than cover ourselves, it is only right that we should use what we have to get by, after all, men have had the upper hand for quite some time, and it is time they got a taste of their own medicine, in my humble opinion...
i have, incidentally, recently purchased a copy of the Quran, and maybe, just maybe, i shall actually read it, so that I can make my mind up as to what it is all about... u see, I hear good things about Islam, as a religion, it seems like, on the surface, a decent religion, and not that different to christianity, but I do not know any real living muslims, so I have only got what I get from the news as my education in Islam.. I recognise this as a deficit, hence my purchase of a quran, but then I am confronted with what I perceive to be the truth of Islam, the partriarchy, the sin, the hate, the veil, the jihad, and I am dissapointed with Islam because of this...
I am not trying to twist ur words to suit myself, but just trying to rouse u to think independently of what I presume to be ur cultural bindings... i know u wouldnt condemn me for that...
okay, u say that "Allah tells us that if we dress modestly men will recognise us as Muslim and not give us unwanted attention"... but to me, I find that alarming. To think that women have to behave a certain way so that men do not touch them up and try to have sex with them, well, to me that is distasteful. Okay, u then counter that by saying that muslim men also have the same proscriptions, but to me, again, it seems wrong...
u are obviously very knowledgable and I am learning new things here, about Islam, for instance, I did not know that four men would need to see copulation with their eyes before stoning could happen, and I certainly did not know that it would take 8 decent muslim women or 16 infidels, by comparision... to me, that just cements my view...
regarding the "some guy thing"... I did not realise u were referring to Mohammed, and would not have been so low as to speak ill of the prophet...
peace be upon him, and of course, u and urs also
cheerio