kindes regards, paul:
wow, i am amazed. loving God should be very passionate as i see that same passionate desire for righteousness in your words, but lets get one thing straight here, i am not dragging David into the mud as you say. to me, he is amazing because he was never self-righteous like most people are today. he repented for his sins and that is all that matters. fact is he was a sinner. no one can be a sinner and be holy. but i don't give credit to him, i give credit to God. God is Holy, no man can be holy, yet. i know you have read this before:
Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
tell me what you think, ok?
Only God is perfect, but don't you see a Holiness in David.
You seem to agree he reached a righteous state greater than most of us.
In that he is refered to as a Holy man.
Yes Isaiah speaks true.
And why do you listen to the words of even Isaiah.
Do you see the difference in men like Isaiah and David, to maybe me and you and most of the world?
Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
God created men and women with sexual desires and obviously to have sex.
God created our naked bodies.
My point is in this sex between a man and woman is natural, unlike between two of the same sex.
This passage is talking of lust, what David did, Paul even talks of being carfeful in marriage and even advices to abstain from once in a while sex for a short time.
In my interperatation so marriage is not overtaken to be about sex.
If marraige is more about love, and sex is controlled and enjoyed in it's right place then it is not lust, same as food, it can be enjoyed and shared and we can give thanks, but we can also be glutonous and a lust of food can overtake us.
Because if we lust after a woman as David did, what's to stop us when the chance arises to commit the adultery, in heart we have already done it.
And for the lust of women, men have done far worse than David.
that is why i am hoping for you to understand my point of view of that being that sin is sin. no sin is greater or lesser. it is just sin. we are all guilty of it.
Yes but your attbributing a continunous state of sin to a Holy person.
Like being a drunk, drug addict or homosexual.
You put them down in the mire, not up in the heavens.
If these men in scripture were drunks, drug addicts, criminals, and whatever else, they would not be witnesses of God.
They were great witnesses of God, His love shone through them.
Most of us are at a lower stage in our spiritual growth and we are not the witnesses they were can you agree?
Or do you say you have reached the height David did.
That any homosexual has?
Drug addict, drunk?
gosh, man, i hope i am not insulting God. i only questioned the fact that David and Jonathan kissed each other. thats all. can i not do that?[
Your not questioning the fact that David and Johnathan kissed each other, for there is no question they did.
But you are insulting the innocence and purity of their love.
What if someone was questioning your sexuality, or one of your loved ones who had died, or even accusing them of other sins they didn't have.
What if the accusation was of peodophilier.
We know Davids sin and his greatness, you are questioning him to add sin to his name which there are no grounds whatsover
i know it is impossible for me to make God impure.
That it undoubtedly is.
But it doesn't stop you insulting his greatest witnesses, those closest to him as having reached Him with such a mind of impiurity.
You insult His name, it doesn't change His name, but it's still an insult.
again, sin is sin. if i cheat on my wife it doesn't mean my sin is less than that of a homosexual or a child molester. what would matter is that if i or they repent of their sin. i agree though, i hope to reach David's spirituality someday. he was truly an amazing man.
Sin is sin, but states of sin are different, why do you see David as such an amazing man.
Would you still see him as an amazing man if he was an homosexual or child molester?
Problem is we then assuming he would be the same man and still be a child molester and homosexual.
But if he was in that state he wouldn't have reached the Holiness he did.
Homosexuals, peodophiles, are not Holy people accept for that one sin in their lives.
Do you really think they can reach the heights of spirituality that David did and still be those sorts of people?
know exactly what you mean, but how do you interprit this verse?
Luke 7:33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, 'He has a demon.' 34 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners.'" 35 But wisdom is proved right by all her children."
Not sure what you mean.
John the Baptist came in poverty, Jesus sat down and ate and drank, but he wasn't a glutton or drunk.
He was a friend of sinners, as he sat down and talked to them, told them the truth, showed them the right way.
Maybe it is they thought John mad because of his strict diet of locusts and honey, his stirct abstinace of the world in many ways.
But then even when Jesus came as they were and ate and drank as them, as i said not in sinful ways, but just a normal way, they would then even accuse Him.
They accused John for not being as the norm, and accused Jesus for not being as John.
all it takes is once, my friend. Adam and Eve only ate the fruit once and look at where man is.
Sin has it's consequences.
But Holy men don't stay in the lowest state of sin.
What i mean is we all are to grow. and they have truly men and women that have reached the very heights.
Homosexuality in it's state is the mire, that's what i mean you dragging them down through the mud
amen, paul
i am not trying to corrupt anything, paul. just merely questioning it. i hate homosexuals, man. i don't justify them one bit. thanks for reading and God bless...
Why do you hate homosexuals.
You hate homosexuals, but even question that David a man you find amazing could have been one?
Please don't hate homosexuals.
I thought you had said one sin is no worse than another.
I beleive homosexuality is a sick act, but they are people and maybe gone through much hurt to end up that way.
And can be very far from God.
And you know the only way to show someone God, is to let His love shine through you.
, that would be sexual, but kissing another dude isn't? weird.
