There is no such thing as 'Free Will'

Special pleading.
The key issue in defending against the 'special pleading fallacy' is whether the justification for the exception is rational and consistent with the argument’s logic. If the argument for an omniscient deity lacks rational justification, the argument stands. If it can be argued rationally, however, the argument fails.

As God can, and has been, argued rationally, then the charge of 'special pleading' fails.

So let's say that right now, God comes to you and says, "I absolutely guarantee that Tiberius will wear the blue shirt tomorrow." This is BEFORE I make my choice.

Is my choice tomorrow already set in stone or not?
Your focus on the BEFORE is where you error lies.

There is no 'before' in God, nor is there 'after' – God is not determined according to the temporal order.

From the first moment of creation, God knows you will choose to wear the blue shirt on that day, because that day is as 'present' to God at the moment of creation's beginning, in the same sense that it is 'present' in the moment of creation's end.

Put another way:
Our choices tomorrow are 'set in stone' inasmuch as we exercise our free will tomorrow to make choices.

That exercise, its outcome, is written in time.

For a consciousness (for the want of a better term) not bound by duration, a consciousness that does not experience 'past', 'present' or 'future' but simply sees all, then what appears to us as prior knowledge is not prior knowledge in God. It's just knowledge. It's prior to us because our consciousness is subject to temporal determination.

That God knows – from our temporal viewpoint – 'before', is not in question.

That 'before' applies to us, not to God. Because it does not apply to God, there is no agency pre-determining the event, there's simply a nature that is conscious of all events in an atemporal manner.

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On the flip side, of course, the 'choice' to wear the blue shirt is actually determined by a plethora of conditions that are simply, as we currently stand, too vast for us to quantify, because we are liable to suggestion, be it conscious, semi-conscious or unconscious. Why blue? Why a shirt? And so on ...

... And so, so often, we find our choices are entirely predictable, because we are creatures of habit.
 
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Did I say that God makes the choice?

No I did not.

I am saying that God's knowledge means that I don't have a choice.
Choice -an act of selecting or making a decision when faced with two or more possibilities

Im sorry that i am not grasping your understanding of the word "choice". Based on the definition it is YOU that chose what shirt to wear. A psychic that told you what shirt you would wear did not invalidate your choice why should God knowing what shirt you chose in turn invalidate that choice?
 
God is outside of time.. to Him its always now. He knows the end and the beginning. He didnt choose the shirt you wear today... You chose it. Its not like He said Tiberius i know what shirt you are going to wear so you HAVE to wear it.
But he COULD tell you today what shirt I will wear tomorrow, couldn't he?
 
The key issue in defending against the 'special pleading fallacy' is whether the justification for the exception is rational and consistent with the argument’s logic. If the argument for an omniscient deity lacks rational justification, the argument stands. If it can be argued rationally, however, the argument fails.

As God can, and has been, argued rationally, then the charge of 'special pleading' fails.
No it hasn't.

There are no arguments for God that don't include some kind of logical fallacy.
Your focus on the BEFORE is where you error lies.

There is no 'before' in God, nor is there 'after' – God is not determined according to the temporal order.

From the first moment of creation, God knows you will choose to wear the blue shirt on that day, because that day is as 'present' to God at the moment of creation's beginning, in the same sense that it is 'present' in the moment of creation's end.

Put another way:
Our choices tomorrow are 'set in stone' inasmuch as we exercise our free will tomorrow to make choices.

That exercise, its outcome, is written in time.

For a consciousness (for the want of a better term) not bound by duration, a consciousness that does not experience 'past', 'present' or 'future' but simply sees all, then what appears to us as prior knowledge is not prior knowledge in God. It's just knowledge. It's prior to us because our consciousness is subject to temporal determination.

That God knows – from our temporal viewpoint – 'before', is not in question.

That 'before' applies to us, not to God. Because it does not apply to God, there is no agency pre-determining the event, there's simply a nature that is conscious of all events in an atemporal manner.

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On the flip side, of course, the 'choice' to wear the blue shirt is actually determined by a plethora of conditions that are simply, as we currently stand, too vast for us to quantify, because we are liable to suggestion, be it conscious, semi-conscious or unconscious. Why blue? Why a shirt? And so on ...

... And so, so often, we find our choices are entirely predictable, because we are creatures of habit.
Completely irrelevant.

Is it possible for God to come to you TODAY and tell you what colour shirt I will wear tomorrow?

Yes or no please.
 
Choice -an act of selecting or making a decision when faced with two or more possibilities

Im sorry that i am not grasping your understanding of the word "choice". Based on the definition it is YOU that chose what shirt to wear. A psychic that told you what shirt you would wear did not invalidate your choice why should God knowing what shirt you chose in turn invalidate that choice?
The choice is invalidated because as soon as the result of my "choice" is known BEFORE I make the "choice," there is only one possible option.

Since you defined "choice" as requiring two or more possibilities, and since now there is only one possibility, it is clearly no longer a choice.
 
You have the choice, but it will turn out to be what all-knowing God already knows. He has the head as well as the tail. :)
Thuis reducing the number of possibilities to ONE, and therefore it is not a choice, since a choice requires two or more possibilities.
 
The choice is invalidated because as soon as the result of my "choice" is known BEFORE I make the "choice," there is only one possible option..
Not true .. it makes no difference what is "known before" .. why don't you
stick to looking into your crystal ball? :)

What you are saying, is that you are forced to choose an option (only one possibility), which is
not the case. It is that you will choose it, not that you cannot choose another option, if you
had wanted to.
 
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But he COULD tell you today what shirt I will wear tomorrow, couldn't he?
He can certainly inform Faithfulservant about the shirt you will wear tomorrow if he so desires. Or perhaps through his deep devotion, Faaithfulservant can make God to declare that. Hindu Gods do not disappoint faithful devotees.
Thuis reducing the number of possibilities to ONE, and therefore it is not a choice, since a choice requires two or more possibilities.
Why just two, you may have 10 choices. But that does not prevent you from making a choice. Prior knowledge to God is because of his all-knowing nature. (Of course, I am a staunch atheist mentioning this only to clarify what theists mean by God's powers).
 
Not true .. it makes no difference what is "known before" .. why don't you
stick to looking into your crystal ball? :)

What you are saying, is that you are forced to choose an option (only one possibility), which is
not the case. It is that you will choose it, not that you cannot choose another option, if you
had wanted to.
You seem to miss the point.

If I WILL choose a particular option, it is indeed the case that I CANNOT choose another option.
 
He can certainly inform Faithfulservant about the shirt you will wear tomorrow if he so desires. Or perhaps through his deep devotion, Faaithfulservant can make God to declare that. Hindu Gods do not disappoint faithful devotees.

Why just two, you may have 10 choices. But that does not prevent you from making a choice. Prior knowledge to God is because of his all-knowing nature. (Of course, I am a staunch atheist mentioning this only to clarify what theists mean by God's powers).
It doesn't matter how many choices I appear to have.

If God can tell someone what shirt I will wear tomorrow, and God's information can't possibly be wrong, then any other outcome becomes impossible.
 
God either knows my future or he doesn't.
He knows, every minute of your life (per the theist belief).
.. God's information can't possibly be wrong, then any other outcome becomes impossible.
Yeah, you cannot beat God in his game (Hindus term it as 'lila' (game, play)). God can also make it impossible for Faithfulservant to divulge it to you. What is which God cannot do?
"Lila can be loosely translated as "divine play". The concept of lila asserts that creation, instead of being an objective for achieving any purpose, is rather an outcome of the playful nature of the divine. As the divine is perfect, it could have no want fulfilled, thereby signifying freedom, instead of necessity, behind the creation."
Lila (Hinduism) - Wikipedia
 
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If I WILL choose a particular option, it is indeed the case that I CANNOT choose another option.
No, it isn't. It is that you don't want to choose another option.
If you had wanted to choose another option, then G-d would have known it.
 
I disagree, but that's a discussion for another thread.

God either knows my future or he doesn't. There's no middle ground.
There is no need for a middle ground. God (Gods, Goddesses and seers too in Hinduism) know your past as well future life in detail.
Sage Vishwamitra took Rama to the kingdom of Sita father, Janak, knowing fully well what would happen. Nothing hidden from them.
It is just 'Lila'.
 
Most discussions on religion are like that only. I don't leave my view, you don't leave your views. That happens rarely.
But on the plus side, bit by bit, with repeated conversations, each person who participates in such conversations has the opportunity to develop a deeper understanding and more nuanced views and/or better or more nuanced ways to argue their points in the future, if so desired.
 
God can also make it impossible for Faithfulservant to divulge it to you. What is which God cannot do?
It would seem God would be required to do this!

Otherwise God could tell someone, "Hey, Tiberius will wear the blue shirt tomorrow." Then the person says, "Hey, God told me that it's 100% certain that you will wear the blue shirt tomorrow." And then I say, "We'll see about that!" And then I cut the blue shirt into ribbons and burn them to ash.

And then God would be wrong.
 
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