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the ultimate perfection
going back to plato’s notion of forms [as perhaps metaphoric] i would like to hopefully add a new twist or a fresh perspective so we can we find perfection amongst things and then an ultimate perfection...
we live in a world that is constantly changing in a way that seams fluid, yet within this change can we say that perfection is arrived at ~ indeed is it what existence strives for, the reason for all things! if we break down this flux of change there are certain ideas to be noted...
‘truths of the transformative are no truer than that of the complete or formed’ by this i mean that any set of values, principles or laws that we attribute to the transforming nature of existence, are no truer than what we consider for the completed form or end of task entity. if we look at a cup, it is referred to as a holistic object, we would say that there is no such thing as ‘cup’ only that there is a flux which at some point in the transformative process appears to be what we call a ‘cup’. what though if we say that a cup is a thing in and of itself, is this any less true than the vague reference to it as part of a changing process?
we could instead site e.g. an atom as a perfect object, indeed any combination in the periodic table can be so. perhaps unstable compounds are not so perfect though, nevertheless an atom is little different to a cup as it can be changed to yet is its own entity.
there is another side to this in philosophy, where it is asked; if we build a ship then continually replace its parts until all the new parts have been replaced, it is still the same ship? it would look the same and be the same to all intense purposes, yet every part of it would have changed. we may see ourselves much in the same light, every cell in our bodies change over time, do we remain the same person?
answer; when we build the ship it is to a blueprint a desired outcome is achieved in the building of it. once it is the ship as desired, it makes no difference if all the parts are changed as we still have the same entity!
let us look at this problem on another level i.e. in terms of truths. we will begin to explore the idea of an ultimate perfection as the blueprint and desire of existence...
as an anarchist i like this one so i’ll restate it...
if we say; ‘genius is the result of the entire product of man’.
then can we take this to a more universal level and say; ‘perfection is the result of all imperfections’ & ‘a series of random imperfections will always give rise to a state of perfection’.
thence; ‘eternity is the result of all perfections’.
so is ‘god’ all perfection? well, we can have all examples of perfection, but they cannot be attributed to a single definitive entity e.g. you cannot have a perfect circle and a perfect square as part of the same perfection, they must be their own distinct forms of perfection. we may only have a place where they all reside at least in idea. the problem then arises that there can be no change as all things must remain as they are. however we may have perfection interacting with perfection without changing it. in fact back down here on earth we only have occasional imperfection in comparison to perfections made.
how can we call a thing perfect.
even if we conclude that the blue print for the ship is itself an imperfect thing, the execution of the construction [even if that process itself is imperfect] results in the perfect example of what is desired in the blueprint.
universal evolution is then a process of finding perfections, the blueprint is in the potentiality for a given entity.
so what can be the result of all perfections ~ what is ultimately achieved?
here we enter the idea that there are different levels of perfection. we can say that all through evolution we arrive at different examples like a mouse is a perfect mouse, a human is a perfect human. is an ape though an imperfect human? yes and no, it is a perfection but it is not as perfect as the next generation of forms along its evolutionary line.
in human terms we may not yet have reached ‘the perfect version’ of human, it may or may not be so that we could for example, make perfect inventions, perfect philosophies and have a complete and perfect scientific grande theory of everything, indeed we may stop growing beards ~ so was plato imperfect
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if we now take the collected works of the universe, then multiply that by infinity ~ so that somewhere along the line we have to concede that eventually the all-perfect thing is reached, what could that all-perfect entity be?
note the answer may be exactly the same as if we ask ‘must all things come to an end’, what would that state be? so we have the positive and negative example, both of which amounts to the same thing?
so what then is the ultimate perfection, as a concept or perhaps a reality.
my own conclusion:
1. the ultimate perfection is ‘absolute simplicity’.
2. god as ultimate perfection. truth is ‘there’ all the time, it is only when we try to label it that we falsify it. this is why what is true about god is true about absolute simplicity. it doesn’t mean that we are taking anything away from ‘god’, in fact it is that we are giving more to him, even though it sounds empty. this is because anything we add to purity makes it lesser/impure, anything we add to ultimate truth makes it false, and anything we add to the ultimate perfection makes it imperfect!
is god then the ultimate perfection? or is it infinity, nirvana or something else entirely, the universal perhaps or the whole [whatever that is]?
going back to plato’s notion of forms [as perhaps metaphoric] i would like to hopefully add a new twist or a fresh perspective so we can we find perfection amongst things and then an ultimate perfection...
we live in a world that is constantly changing in a way that seams fluid, yet within this change can we say that perfection is arrived at ~ indeed is it what existence strives for, the reason for all things! if we break down this flux of change there are certain ideas to be noted...
‘truths of the transformative are no truer than that of the complete or formed’ by this i mean that any set of values, principles or laws that we attribute to the transforming nature of existence, are no truer than what we consider for the completed form or end of task entity. if we look at a cup, it is referred to as a holistic object, we would say that there is no such thing as ‘cup’ only that there is a flux which at some point in the transformative process appears to be what we call a ‘cup’. what though if we say that a cup is a thing in and of itself, is this any less true than the vague reference to it as part of a changing process?
we could instead site e.g. an atom as a perfect object, indeed any combination in the periodic table can be so. perhaps unstable compounds are not so perfect though, nevertheless an atom is little different to a cup as it can be changed to yet is its own entity.
there is another side to this in philosophy, where it is asked; if we build a ship then continually replace its parts until all the new parts have been replaced, it is still the same ship? it would look the same and be the same to all intense purposes, yet every part of it would have changed. we may see ourselves much in the same light, every cell in our bodies change over time, do we remain the same person?
answer; when we build the ship it is to a blueprint a desired outcome is achieved in the building of it. once it is the ship as desired, it makes no difference if all the parts are changed as we still have the same entity!
let us look at this problem on another level i.e. in terms of truths. we will begin to explore the idea of an ultimate perfection as the blueprint and desire of existence...
as an anarchist i like this one so i’ll restate it...
if we say; ‘genius is the result of the entire product of man’.
then can we take this to a more universal level and say; ‘perfection is the result of all imperfections’ & ‘a series of random imperfections will always give rise to a state of perfection’.
thence; ‘eternity is the result of all perfections’.
so is ‘god’ all perfection? well, we can have all examples of perfection, but they cannot be attributed to a single definitive entity e.g. you cannot have a perfect circle and a perfect square as part of the same perfection, they must be their own distinct forms of perfection. we may only have a place where they all reside at least in idea. the problem then arises that there can be no change as all things must remain as they are. however we may have perfection interacting with perfection without changing it. in fact back down here on earth we only have occasional imperfection in comparison to perfections made.
how can we call a thing perfect.
even if we conclude that the blue print for the ship is itself an imperfect thing, the execution of the construction [even if that process itself is imperfect] results in the perfect example of what is desired in the blueprint.
universal evolution is then a process of finding perfections, the blueprint is in the potentiality for a given entity.
so what can be the result of all perfections ~ what is ultimately achieved?
here we enter the idea that there are different levels of perfection. we can say that all through evolution we arrive at different examples like a mouse is a perfect mouse, a human is a perfect human. is an ape though an imperfect human? yes and no, it is a perfection but it is not as perfect as the next generation of forms along its evolutionary line.
in human terms we may not yet have reached ‘the perfect version’ of human, it may or may not be so that we could for example, make perfect inventions, perfect philosophies and have a complete and perfect scientific grande theory of everything, indeed we may stop growing beards ~ so was plato imperfect
if we now take the collected works of the universe, then multiply that by infinity ~ so that somewhere along the line we have to concede that eventually the all-perfect thing is reached, what could that all-perfect entity be?
note the answer may be exactly the same as if we ask ‘must all things come to an end’, what would that state be? so we have the positive and negative example, both of which amounts to the same thing?
so what then is the ultimate perfection, as a concept or perhaps a reality.
my own conclusion:
1. the ultimate perfection is ‘absolute simplicity’.
2. god as ultimate perfection. truth is ‘there’ all the time, it is only when we try to label it that we falsify it. this is why what is true about god is true about absolute simplicity. it doesn’t mean that we are taking anything away from ‘god’, in fact it is that we are giving more to him, even though it sounds empty. this is because anything we add to purity makes it lesser/impure, anything we add to ultimate truth makes it false, and anything we add to the ultimate perfection makes it imperfect!
is god then the ultimate perfection? or is it infinity, nirvana or something else entirely, the universal perhaps or the whole [whatever that is]?