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[dauer]

z,

i agree, but maybe both? ...well on one level; as we look deeper into ourselves we look deeper into things, meaning etc. on another i think the innermost self is the ultimate reality or infinity [its not a ‘self’ of course].

I see what you mean. I don't really agree. I think it's also possible that going deeper into oneself is going deeper into subjectivity. But I do understand where you're coming from.

it would be subjective once perceived i.e. once it has arrived, the subjective comes after the original aspect. we get info either from the outer or inner then it is considered and hence subjective. i hate all that empirical nonsense

How else can we relate to it, if not via perception?

 

[_Z_]

dauer

How else can we relate to it, if not via perception?

sorry, i wasnt saying that we wouldn’t perceive it, more that it is not perceived until presented. hence if it was presented universally then we would all ‘subjectively’ perceive it at once. having said that one part of me is saying; this is occuring continuously it is just not a word but the naked truth. anyways that is a whole other area, i was just investigating the potential for such a thing.

i think you are right though, eventually we will arrive at some kind of rapture, when all things have been resolved [if]. like inventions ~ we keep making increasingly better versions of a thing until an idea can go no further. thus eventually most things would reach their apex. of course there will always be new things arise and change generally, so perhaps we are talking percentages, and perhaps in each age.

 

[wil]

wil,

I don't understand how that relates to what I said.

Finding oneself the deep personal truth could be the truth for all, but not apply to all as you have building blox dauer, I have wil and z has z.

So while I see the alphabet that is required for me and understand the same 'whole' is required for you to complete, you've got a different starting block, differing set of experiences long the path so while I say...look yes this is my revelation I see how it is complete for both me and you, you look at it and scratch your head saying

wil,

I don't understand how that relates to what I said.

 

[Bishadi]

So while I see the alphabet that is required for me and understand the same 'whole' is required for you to complete, you've got a different starting block, differing set of experiences

But to use the alphabet, each can articulate on equal footing. SO a universal foundation within the language does assist the ability to exchange information.

All words and even the alphabet were all created by man. At any moment a word can be created with any definition. To be accepted the definition must have basis and then be universally accepted in order to continue an existence in usage.

Well the definitions of what makes ‘life’ actually exist within a collection of mass, is still the unanswered definition, universally accepted; hence the ‘soup of life.’

This ‘soup of life’ is the exact place the sciences and religions do not meet.

That definition is what combines all mankind. As then to share how life exists then no religion or belief can deny, the truth!

The sciences, the religion nor any representation short of observing ‘light’ and all her properties, has failed to offer a universal description.

To represent that framework in pure form is that revealing to mankind.

TO comprehend ‘life’ as it truly is and for each person to begin life with the alphabet or language to understand, then each can be personally aware of exactly how and why each choice is their responsibility to existence.

But the key is that in order for that truth to truly be correct, then it must be mathematically correct as well as theologically correct, and to understand how ‘light’ actually works in a scientific frame, then a comprehension as to how the religions could have actually been able to ‘see’ (prophecies, dejavu), can be physically described. (entanglement). Or simply, to represent the truth in physical form (math) there is a true form which provides physical descriptions for most every phenomena described in theologies.

The primary key is to remain honest; and the first is to recognize that knowledge evolves; that man can create; that man is the only cause of errors to understanding.

And to remain completely honest then each can know literally that existence only operates in ONE fashion and that goal to observe this has been the quest of our species since the beginning of time; hence the evolution of knowledge.

That pinnacle of mankind is to understand ‘how it works.’

So heaven is that place in time where our species does in fact understand, while alive, knowing that each choice is what offers life to our existence, based on what we do during this time of choice.

So to define life in the purely factual form, and then offer the words of comprehension purely equal to all existence, is that final chapter to mankind!

Peace

 

[_Z_]

That pinnacle of mankind is to understand ‘how it works.’

but not to forget the why and whence, the origins and purpose.

So to define life in the purely factual form, and then offer the words of comprehension purely equal to all existence, is that final chapter to mankind!

i would say the final chapter [before the next lol] is to realise that knowledge is limits, that there is a whole level far to subtle for absolute definition. indeed definitions tend to be relative, we can always blur the lines between one fact and its neighbour.

 

[Bishadi]

but not to forget the why

will always be subjective. Do you agree?

and whence,

Virial theorem offers many different dates and there all wrong based on how energy is assessed but this is one that can be addressed mathematically.

the origins

Origins of life is easy. Mass associates based on the energy exposed. If 'good' associations offer a contiuance of that energy to continue longer the life of the system continues. This is the pattern governing evolution. This reveals itself at the molecular level when 'light' (em upon mass), is recognized as 'energy' upon mass. This revelation is that paradigm shift which substantiates the combination of each branch of knowledge.

The math, the religions and philosophies, describing life and its existence all combines under the understanding of 'light.'

i would say the final chapter [before the next lol] is to realise that knowledge is limits,

Try telling a young man, 'he can't'..... That he is not good enough to understand...

That idea is the error just as heisenbergs uncertainty principle.... it was his error of not having the material knowledge.

that there is a whole level far to subtle for absolute definition.

Agreed in the sense of defining but not of comprehending causation.

indeed definitions tend to be relative, we can always blur the lines between one fact and its neighbour.

That is what caused all the tangents in the sciences (mankind itself) as there are very few who remain focused on simply defining the most important question that each person ever born has wanted to know......'what is life'........?

 

[_Z_]

will always be subjective. Do you agree?

no not at all, forget the human mind and its apparent subjectivity, everything we observe has reasons and its own objective reality. i think the idea that everything is subjective leaves us in a matrix, when the truth is that that is its own falsehood. ultimately there must be reality even if we subjectively have no idea what it is [which i think is wrong because we have a very good idea of what it is].

Origins of life is easy

for sure yes, unless we ask; what are the origins of ‘life’... i know you will be thinking that is a contradiction of something i just agreed with, but what i am asking is where does everything originate, or to say that everything that exists belongs ultimately to the greater universal, thence to the whole and infinity. so ‘life’ just as ‘being’ or ‘mind’ are within the whole and the infinite.

the evolution of life, indeed universal evolution is of something, a greater party, what i mean is that life evolves because its essence and potential is ‘there’ and wants to become [in laymans terms]. 0,1,2,3 exist in math because 0 demands 1 which in turn demands 2 etc, they to are evolutions, but 3 also must become itself for its own purpose.
anyway i gone way of course there and am not probably making sense, so let us say there are origins and fundamentals.

That idea is the error just as heisenbergs uncertainty principle.... it was his error of not having the material knowledge.

i don’t understand?

Agreed in the sense of defining but not of comprehending causation.

causation within the limit of the universe we can indeed as you say define. the universe does not compose the whole of the greater reality, hence causation or our knowledge of it is necessarily limited to existence.

 

[cyberpi]

If a person eats only protein then they miss out on the necessary fats and minerals. If a person eats only carbs then they miss out on the necessary protein and fats. If a person eats only fats then they miss out on the necessary proteins and carbs. A person needs water even more frequently than food but too much at once will kill a person. I'm not one to necessarily mix the carbs and proteins and fats and water all into one bite... cow's milk... a bowl of stew; however, I recognize the need for not being an extremist and to try new foods. Need to eat the protein, some fat, carbs, and to stay hydrated... soup works.

 

[_Z_]

maybe soup is the goal? everything seams to be blending on many levels these days. hmm

 

[juantoo3]

maybe soup is the goal? everything seams to be blending on many levels these days. hmm

Or we could get stewed?

Or pickled?

 

[_Z_]

welcome to planet israel/palestine! this is what we must be careful of when blending. i see it as a natural process, if we don’t try to force things then we will see how it would naturally go ~ as it must eventually regardless of what we do.
what that outcome will be i don’t know, it looks like soup or stew in the current climate, however cycles go like that, we will probably see a condensing after the relaxing. thence new shapes will be formed.

 

[Bishadi]

the idea or question is pretty universal ‘why is there existence’ or ‘why are we here’….. each of these is subjective to opinion, the ‘why is mankind here’…. has one direct meaning, but that is for another day as the rest of the post shares a few items that need understanding first.

no not at all, forget the human mind and its apparent subjectivity, everything we observe has reasons and its own objective reality. i think the idea that everything is subjective leaves us in a matrix, when the truth is that that is its own falsehood. ultimately there must be reality even if we subjectively have no idea what it is [which i think is wrong because we have a very good idea of what it is].

I completely disagree with your mind set here…… for example, a bee does not do well in the ocean, because the environment does not have a purpose for that species….

So yes, we are literally in a matrix of existence…. We are a ‘part’ of the total! We exist within each environment, and to leave it takes effort as a serious undertaking and even causes ‘evolution.’

when the truth is that that is its own falsehood.

Please share exactly why, ‘that that’ is false. The suggestion was; to address ‘why’ is subjective to opinion and you debate this. No circles, just state why you oppose. I wish to learn your opinion.

Or try a little common sense

‘origin of life’ …… take a flat pond, tap the surface. Do you see the waves moving through? And when the surface has no wave, then there is no life to your imposition. If you tap the surface twice, the waves may interact. Then the combining 2 may increase their potential by the association. SO the life of interaction may continue longer based on the combination of the 2.

This interaction of energy to combine and increase its potential is a life. So if there was nothing, and time began, then likewise mass and energy separated, yet are still combined by time (existence). Yet, when the isolated structures combine once again, associating in time, with each counter-part, then a life within the structures exists. This is a physical reality to mass and energy associating within an environment; life. The mathematical laws behind this are not in current physics.

IN a sense, yes, by simple logic; we each can recognize this kind of system as simply described, does in fact appear in everyday observations. Those 2 associated forms of energy upon mass can associate to increase the potential of the 2, and be of greater potential then if you added the sums of the 2 separate. Meaning; 2 people can pick up more than the sum of 2 separate. This occurs because the environment entangles the association. This concept is not in today’s physics.

It is why evolution is not comprehended by many as the math to perfect this is that missing ‘definition’ to the sciences. i.e…. Phospholipid bilayers (undescribed phenomenon) are lipids that resonate (no peptide bonds) between the lipids and how they assemble to build the cell walls. (life from the soup)….. the form above shared how this occurs but in the sciences there is no publication representing this…. IN current models, they address energy in ‘potential differences’ such as positive and negative which is the incorrect analogy since the energy upon mass is the ‘light’ wavelength of energy.

For example; to tap that surface of the pond did not add electric impulses, sure we can convert to but it was an imposition caused by momentum which imposed a wavelength to the mass (wave). Well at the very small of atoms and energy, the sciences do not address energy as such and why that solution to the ‘soup of life’ has never been described correctly.

the evolution of life, indeed universal evolution is of something, a greater party, what i mean is that life evolves because its essence and potential is ‘there’ and wants to become [in laymans terms]. 0,1,2,3 exist in math because 0 demands 1 which in turn demands 2 etc, they to are evolutions, but 3 also must become itself for its own purpose.

to continue!

Purpose of life: to continue.

so let us say there are origins and fundamentals.

I agree and every person alive can understand these equally.

All I suggest is to ‘Start with light,’ and then existing knowledge can become common sense but it is this ‘paradigm shift’ that enables this final evolution or knowledge.

Each can know, how it started, why it works, what choices to make, and simply how to live forever by what you do………….

Just the little things….

All based on actual rules equal to existence;

Light is life.

Purpose of life: to continue.

Good: supports life

Bad: loss to the common

And each of these suggested are based on a frame that is mathematically combining the three (trinity); mass, energy, time…. ….

This is the form that combines all mankind yet that name (math) to this, is something that cannot be released to the public, just yet….. as until the people understand, then that release will be kept by me, alone!

In other words, either people want to know the truth or they don’t. I will not publish for the business of the community. So the writing continues for the benefit of the species….. as it is the human experience, the people, you… that is most important… I do not care to be accepted by any for my own glory.

So is there a nut that cares just to contribute? Well this I, are one!

So when you read about solutions and ideas of compassion, cause and purpose, be sure, my friend what you are reading is grounded about as purely as any could want.

 

[dauer]

Z,

i think you are right though, eventually we will arrive at some kind of rapture,

I never said that. I'm just being open to the possibility that something like that could happen. I'm rather skeptical that it will.

Wil,

Finding oneself the deep personal truth could be the truth for all, but not apply to all as you have building blox dauer, I have wil and z has z.

So while I see the alphabet that is required for me and understand the same 'whole' is required for you to complete, you've got a different starting block, differing set of experiences long the path so while I say...look yes this is my revelation I see how it is complete for both me and you, you look at it and scratch your head saying

I'm still not entirely sure what you're saying and I would still assert that subjectivity works as a stop gag. It may be that a person knows the way things really are, but because of subjectivity I don't think they could ever verify that fact. I think it's much more likely that there are many people who think they know the way things really are because they've projected their own personal experience onto the world.

I'm not addressing what is personally meaningful or personally true because I see both as an issue of perspective, personal truth being itself imo a sometimes misleading term. Someone can experience something as being very true and see that truth reflected in everything without it having anything to do with Truth at all.

-- Dauer

 

[_Z_]

dauer hi

I never said that. I’m just being open to the possibility that something like that could happen. I’m rather skeptical that it will.

please see this thread for a more expansive answer, scroll down to the bottom for a reflection upon this.

http://www.comparative-religion.com/forum/universal-consciousness-and-the-utility-8931.html

ps. i expect you will still be as sceptical

 

[Dream]

A famous Swedish story called Nail Soup .

I don't really think that the story has anything to do with the thread, but I wanted to bring it up, because its a good short story. Soup doesn't represent a contest of ideas to me, because it has to have carefully balanced, complementary flavors. Religions clash and must call each other liars. They just don't remind me of soup ingredients at all. If there was a soup representing religions as ingredients it would be made of....water, pickles, sour cream, detergent, marbles....and just about anything. Yucky. Also, I seriously doubt that all religions are non-malicious creations. I mean, a bunny rabbit with jellyfish stingers is clearly a lab-monster. A porcupine is the genuine item.

 

[Bishadi]

wise....

a bunny rabbit with jellyfish stingers is clearly a lab-monster. A porcupine is the genuine item.

Man created the words within theology; nature reflects the truth!