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There's a modern religion for you ;)

It's a denomination of Christianity, a branch of the tree of Christianity that many Christians probably want to prune, but it's there, it's part of the tree.

And it's modern... 1830.

The official name is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It was founded by Joseph Smith, a seeker who believed he was given authority to restore Christianity.

So you don't get confused, I'm not a Mormon and I don't believe Joseph Smith was a prophet. But there are some things I have in common with Mormons...

Chastity, fidelity, ...thinking... (I know there are more....)

Recent.... 1830 and 1844... The Baha'i Faith began in 1844, the same year that Joseph Smith was shot by a mob. The Forerunner of Baha'u'llah, the Bab, was shot by a firing squad six years later, in 1850.

Mormon temples and Baha'i temples serve different purposes and look quite a bit different from each other, but the first temple of both religions was lost. The first Mormon temple was lost to a splinter group and the first Baha'i temple was lost to the Soviet Union.

The second temple of each religion was built in.... (and this is a surprising coincidence....) So I'll build up to it. The Mormon Church began in Pennsylvania and the Baha'i Faith began in Persia... Pennsylvania and Persia are very far apart (if that isn't obvious...) And even though they started so far apart, and so recently, the second temple of each religion was built in the same state, Illinois.
 
I was really shocked to see such a posting in a place like interfaith. It seems like something I would read on some anti mormon blog. Just to clarify some things I am a mormon. We do not believe that whites are a superior race. Gordon. B Hinckley, who was the president of the lds church until he passed away recently, spoke to the members of the lds church and urged them to move past racist attitudes. And that racist attitudes had no place in gods church. Yes of course there have been mormons in the past that have had racial attitudes including church leaders. This is due to the culture of the times in which these men lived. Which I see as very unfortuante. But mormons are not alone in this. Many Christian churches during the 1800's taught that black people didn't have souls and couldn't be saved. And to my knowledge mormons are the only ones who never had segregated congregations. You can't hold mormonism to higher standard than you hold the rest of the christian world to. Next of all the second accusation was quite humorous. That we believe Jesus was blonde haired and blue eyed. The church makes no stand on Jesus's physical traits. Yes mormon artists may have depicted him in such away. That in no way means we are taught Jesus was blonde hair and blue eyed. There are also mormon artists that have depicted him with a darker complextion. Its is a decision that is totally left up to the artist.
Anyway when I was a missionary for the church of jesus christ of latter day saints I had the opportunity of meeting some bahai people. They were some of the most amazing people I have ever meet. We had great conversation and gained a lot of understanding of our two faiths. We saw lots of similarities. Such as persecution faced by both of our faiths as well as similar time periods. I really admire the bahai religion and hold it in the highest regard.
 
Hi, dbanks, and welcome to IO.

Don't mind The Dude. (You can put him on your Ignore List via your User Control Panel by clicking on User CP in the top left corner of the page.) He seems to enjoy making such posts.
 
Welcome Dbanks,

Namaste Dude, seems many relgions had racist tendencies in the past.

Namaste Dawud, Illinois...are you making any sort of presidential inference here? Lincoln moved there in 1830 and our recent addition is coming from there...hmmm some race contemplation between those two too. Not hard to find links once you start looking for them.
 
Dawud! Haven't seen you for a while.

Well its a good thing that dbanks82 showed up to reign us in over at the Christianity forum. 'Us' meaning the non-Catholics. I don't think any Catholics were involved in the conversation (although we did somehow reach a 'Critical Mass' in that thread). Maybe things got out of hand. You can send a message to either a moderator or maybe "I, Brian" the administrator, if you feel the thread was inappropriate. The rest of us are unable to make any changes to the thread.
 
Thanks for the post Dawud. There are many surprising similarities in Religions and such but remember that this whole Universe of multiplicity is created by the brain, through analizing. And the brain likes to see similarity. I love this kind of stuff too but stay open minded and be careful. The only Truth is that which you create.
 
Dawud said:
There's a modern religion for you ;)

It's a denomination of Christianity, a branch of the tree of Christianity that many Christians probably want to prune, but it's there, it's part of the tree.

And it's modern... 1830.

The official name is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It was founded by Joseph Smith, a seeker who believed he was given authority to restore Christianity.

So you don't get confused, I'm not a Mormon and I don't believe Joseph Smith was a prophet. But there are some things I have in common with Mormons...

Chastity, fidelity, ...thinking... (I know there are more....)

Recent.... 1830 and 1844... The Baha'i Faith began in 1844, the same year that Joseph Smith was shot by a mob. The Forerunner of Baha'u'llah, the Bab, was shot by a firing squad six years later, in 1850.

Mormon temples and Baha'i temples serve different purposes and look quite a bit different from each other, but the first temple of both religions was lost. The first Mormon temple was lost to a splinter group and the first Baha'i temple was lost to the Soviet Union.

The second temple of each religion was built in.... (and this is a surprising coincidence....) So I'll build up to it. The Mormon Church began in Pennsylvania and the Baha'i Faith began in Persia... Pennsylvania and Persia are very far apart (if that isn't obvious...) And even though they started so far apart, and so recently, the second temple of each religion was built in the same state, Illinois.
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Interesting to notice, the Mormon Church and the Baha'i Faith were not unique to start so close together in time. At the same year, i.e., of the Baha'i Faith (1844) the Seventh-Day Adventist rose. What gives to these faiths their cultish character is their claims of prophets when, according to the Scriptures, the prophetical system had come to an end since the return of the Jewish People from exile in Babylon. (Dan. 9:24) Therefore, any prophetical claim is by definition of a false prophet, as was prophet Joseph Smith and the prophetess Ellen Gold White.
Ben
 
Ben Masada said:
Interesting to notice, the Mormon Church and the Baha'i Faith were not unique to start so close together in time. At the same year, i.e., of the Baha'i Faith (1844) the Seventh-Day Adventist rose. What gives to these faiths their cultish character is their claims of prophets when, according to the Scriptures, the prophetical system had come to an end since the return of the Jewish People from exile in Babylon. (Dan. 9:24) Therefore, any prophetical claim is by definition of a false prophet, as was prophet Joseph Smith and the prophetess Ellen Gold White.
Ben
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Actually historically you should know that they did not start the same year..

Yes the Baha'i calendar began on May 23, 1844 when the Bab declared Himself to Mulla Husayn in Shiraz Persia (now Iran), while Joseph Smith was actually killed by a mob a few weeks later on June 27, 1844 but Mormonism had already begun:

The Latter Day Saint movement, including Mormonism, originated in the 1820s in western New York.

Mormonism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

..and basically split later into various groups the major one today that most people know about was the one started by Brigham Young in 1847.

William Miller believed Christ would return around 1844 and of course we Baha'is would not disagree with that but modern Adventism at least of the variety known today began with Ellen G. White..

The Seventh-day Adventist Church officially formed in 1863.

Adventism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A world away the Baha'i Faith began in the context of Islam and the expectation of the the Promised One the Mahdi from a movement known as Shaykhism .

See:

Shaykhism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For Baha'is the term 'Seal of the Prophets" used in the Quran referred to the end of the age of prophecy and the beginning of the age of fulfillment of the prophecies:

"Standing at the close of the whole Prophetic Cycle His Revelation is described as
including twenty-five out of the twenty-seven letters of all knowledge; and with whim
each and every past Prophet has a separate Covenant, concerning the One whom He
heralded, the Supreme World Redeemer. Thus He stands at the confluence of the Prophetic
Cycle which is closed and of the Age of Fulfillment which now open. The Bahá'í Era
begins with His Declaration on the evening of May 22nd, 1844, and ushers in the
universal Age of Truth."

~ George Townshend, Christ and Baha'u'llah, p. 64

Finally as to what is alleged to be "cultish character" mentioned above I would refer anyone to an essay which discusses this in terms of the Baha'i faith to

Cult - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
arthra said:
Actually historically you should know that they did not start the same year..

Yes the Baha'i calendar began on May 23, 1844 when the Bab declared Himself to Mulla Husayn in Shiraz Persia (now Iran), while Joseph Smith was actually killed by a mob a few weeks later on June 27, 1844 but Mormonism had already begun:

The Latter Day Saint movement, including Mormonism, originated in the 1820s in western New York.

Mormonism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

..and basically split later into various groups the major one today that most people know about was the one started by Brigham Young in 1847.

William Miller believed Christ would return around 1844 and of course we Baha'is would not disagree with that but modern Adventism at least of the variety known today began with Ellen G. White..

The Seventh-day Adventist Church officially formed in 1863.

Adventism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A world away the Baha'i Faith began in the context of Islam and the expectation of the the Promised One the Mahdi from a movement known as Shaykhism .

See:

Shaykhism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For Baha'is the term 'Seal of the Prophets" used in the Quran referred to the end of the age of prophecy and the beginning of the age of fulfillment of the prophecies:

"Standing at the close of the whole Prophetic Cycle His Revelation is described as
including twenty-five out of the twenty-seven letters of all knowledge; and with whim
each and every past Prophet has a separate Covenant, concerning the One whom He
heralded, the Supreme World Redeemer. Thus He stands at the confluence of the Prophetic
Cycle which is closed and of the Age of Fulfillment which now open. The Bahá'í Era
begins with His Declaration on the evening of May 22nd, 1844, and ushers in the
universal Age of Truth."

~ George Townshend, Christ and Baha'u'llah, p. 64

Finally as to what is alleged to be "cultish character" mentioned above I would refer anyone to an essay which discusses this in terms of the Baha'i faith to

Cult - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Excellent research, Arthra.
Ben
 
They say that love is the ultimate expression of spirituality.
They also say "money talks" & "actions speak louder than words."

I am an active Mormon.
I don't believe many of the false teachings, but I do appreciate the goodness I find in Mormonism & attend church each Sunday & fulfill callings (volunteer jobs in the church). I am careful to teach my kids correct principles, so they are not part of the Utah statistics. Utah (the only state so extensively influenced by Mormonism), currently leads the nation in anti-depressants (twice the national average).

I'm concerned with the financial greed displayed by Mormon church leaders.
They require members to pay 10% of gross income before being considered worthy to go to heaven & enter the temple & they regularly check if members are full tithe payers through temple interviews & tithing settlements. Yet Mormon leaders refuse to disclose how they spend church funds.

Recently, Mormon church leaders opened up a $5,000,000,000 shopping Mall, City Creek Center in Salt Lake City.
City Creek Center | Home
This is a very elegant & high-end mall, but I can't imagine Jesus prioritizing something like this (& the many other corporations the Mormon church owns), when almost 1,000,000,000 men, women & children are starving.
2012 World Hunger and Poverty Facts and Statistics by World Hunger Education Service
 
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