Namaste Omprem,I entirely agree with that. It is saying that Jews have become fixated on a false literal interpretation of the Torah and it is that literal interpretation that must be taken out of them. Jews must come to understand that 'Israel', 'Zion', 'the Promised Land' do not refer to physical real estate but rather to God Consciousness. When they rise above literalism, history, victimhood, and oppression of the rightful inhabitants of Palestine, and begin the internal journey that culminates in God Consciousness, then they will attain the Promised Land.
Right now they are following the observation of Tina Turner and looking for love in all the wrong places.
It's both at the same time. We're both a religion and a distinct ethnic group, closely related to the Palestinians.
At the time of the postwar settlement, Israel/Palestine was NOT a sovereign state. It was an occupied territory, occupied by the British. They are in no way related to either of the two nationalities that now lay claim to it. Unless of course you subscribe to the inherently racist "British Israelite" theory...which I DON'T!
--Linda
Yes, you actually do show no regard when you say "Regardless of what." My grandfathers fought in WWII, and its memory has not died. It is poor language to say that 'Jews invaded Palestine', since that does not reflect history at all. 'Invaders' refers to people who initiate wars -- not to people who defend. Israel certainly did not invade Palestine and just start slaughtering. If you want to argue that Israel is not telling us something about the current situation, then do so. This is your tenth post on the site. Time to prove you're not just a troll.Omprem said:Regardless of what the political status of Palestine was at the end of WWII, it was not a homeland for Jews. Jews, however, invaded it killing not only Palestinians but also British soldiers and UN representatives. The 'postwar settlement' as you put it was an invasion by Jews who exhibited the lowest depths of barbarity in their lust for Palestinian land and possessions.
Yes, you actually do show no regard when you say "Regardless of what." My grandfathers fought in WWII, and its memory has not died. It is poor language to say that 'Jews invaded Palestine', since that does not reflect history at all. 'Invaders' refers to people who initiate wars -- not to people who defend. Israel certainly did not invade Palestine and just start slaughtering. If you want to argue that Israel is not telling us something about the current situation, then do so. This is your tenth post on the site. Time to prove you're not just a troll.
Omprem,
not all Jews are zionists and not all zionists are Jews.
Indeed, it was the UN that granted the Jews tracts of land in Palestine, for a "homeland" after the sufferings of the Holacost.Yes, you actually do show no regard when you say "Regardless of what." My grandfathers fought in WWII, and its memory has not died. It is poor language to say that 'Jews invaded Palestine', since that does not reflect history at all. 'Invaders' refers to people who initiate wars -- not to people who defend. Israel certainly did not invade Palestine and just start slaughtering. If you want to argue that Israel is not telling us something about the current situation, then do so. This is your tenth post on the site. Time to prove you're not just a troll.
Read your secular history, particularly that of the resolutions enacted by the UN circa 1948, which stated that the Palestinians could come back to the "new" country of Israel, if they could do so peacefully. Never happened and hasn't happened since.Does this mean that you condemn the zionist occupation of Palestine and its gross mistreatment of the Palestinians, the rightful owners of that land?
Does this mean that you acknowledge that a literal interpretation of "Zion", "Israel", and "the promised land" as Middle East real estate is in error and that those terms should be considered instead as referring to a state of God Consciousness?
Does this mean that you condemn the zionist occupation of Palestine and its gross mistreatment of the Palestinians, the rightful owners of that land?
Does this mean that you acknowledge that a literal interpretation of "Zion", "Israel", and "the promised land" as Middle East real estate is in error and that those terms should be considered instead as referring to a state of God Consciousness?
Please take time to read Israeli nation history. It is only 65 years old. It hasn't had time to be corrupted by anyone, if you care to look and compare. The truth might just surprise you.The original attack was that of Zionists on the residents of Palestine. There are not many sides, many issues to the Palestinian invasion by Jews. There is only their greed for land. Surely you are aware that as early as 1898, the Zionists were plotting to take over a territory. The Zionists at one time considered Argentina and at another time considered the British offer of a country of their choosing in Africa (which, of course, the British did not have the right to offer), but settled on Palestine as they thought they could make a spurious historical claim on it based on misinterpreted Biblical references and on the fact that there were less than a million Palestinians living there at the time. Oh, yes, there were no atrocities on both sides on the invading Zionist side against which the Palestinians who were and are the rightful inhabitants of that land attempted to defend themselves as they still do.
Indeed, it was the UN that granted the Jews tracts of land in Palestine, for a "homeland" after the sufferings of the Holacost.
omprem,
positions like yours are part of the problem, not part of the solution. those of us who really want a workable solution have rejected such doctrinaire, one-sided positions. at the moment, you're basically taking the same position as mahmoud ahmedinejad. that at least ought to give you pause for thought.
b'shalom bananabrain
Please take time to read Israeli nation history. It is only 65 years old. It hasn't had time to be corrupted by anyone, if you care to look and compare. The truth might just surprise you.
First, "Israel" is not a nation. It is an occupation seeking legitimacy.
Second, "Israel" is not even real estate. It is a metaphor for one of the higher states of God Consciousness
So you do not condemn the Jewish invasion of someone else's land, nor the the atrocities by Jews that accompanied that invasion.
Not if blind, hatemongering antisemites who cannot tell the difference between "Jew" and "militant Zionist" are the ones demanding it. I will not grant favor to one group of murderers merely because they think their grandpappies were wronged by another set of murderers.