Bible Question

Ok by popular request a bit about little old me.
I was born into a relaxed Christian enviroment, my mum was sort of a Christian, believed but didn't go to church much. My Nan and Grandad helped run a chruch and were preachers there. My Nan is almost 89 and still helps there and preaches, an amzing woman! My Dad was atheist (and still is)

My Dad left my mum when I was 10 unfortunately so things changed.
I have always been spiritual and have always felt at certain times in my life that somebody or something is with me. The only way I can describe what it feels like is guidance and love. It literally feels as if somebody has their arm around my shoulder and is stearing me in life, especially when critical decisions are made or I am in danger. I didn't think much of it during my teen years. I couldn't digest it really, too immature, and I rejected, totally, any religion. I felt then religion was a "comfort blanket" for people who were scared to die, and I openly stated that if people spoke about religion and stuff to me. Secretly though I always believed there was something but didn't know what.

When I turned 20 I got into Martial Arts and became very good at it. I got to a superb level of fitness however I was not mentally fit. After years of getting my head kicked in at school, because I came from a broken home, and physical and verbal abuse in a workplace for almost 2 years after that had taken it's toll on me greatly.
When I was 23 I was taken to a Buddhist Monastery by my friend and mentor.
I spent all weekend there, talking, eating, sleeping and meditating. It was great and I still go there now occasionally. Then, I attended some evening classes after. However, it got to a point I couldn't continue anymore (once I got past the beginning) Without going too much into it I started to spiral and get down a bit, some aspects of Buddhism got me really down:- "happiness is suffering, because it never lasts" and "remember, everything and all you do in life is suffering" I was told this a lot and it didn't offer any nourishment to me what so ever. I tried to work with it but couldn't. I left it all and became an agnostic. There are many virtues in Buddhism and it will always interest me. Who know's, I may try it again in the future.
From then on (I was 26) I read my favourite bits from Buddhism books, when I felt I needed them, to make me feel better and that is all. I gave up Martial Arts completely when I was 28.

I then got a steady girlfriend and got around socially to many different places. I attended some church events (weddings & baptisms) and it literally felt like something special to me was in those churches. I felt protected and comforted, quite a homely feeling really. I never really pursued how I felt and carried on as an agnostic. I broke up with my girifriend and then after a long break found another lady. I attended a few more church events with her (relatives getting married etc) and then we got married in 2003 in a registry office which was the happiest day of my life.
I joined this forum (great place!) in 2006 after being a "spectator" for a considerable time.

When I was 34 (last year) I picked up a Bible for the first time, it was my mum's Bible from when she was at school and we found it in her loft. I took it home to read.
I didn't know much about the Bible or Christianity, just the basics, and was unsure were to start. I knew the new testament was about Jesus so I started there. I found it hard going as the Bible was an old KJV version. I then found out the Bible comes in many different versions. I managed to obtain a good news version of the Bible from a chairty shop one day and this was when things really started to kick in.
For some reason I went to a spirualist medium, just to see what it was like as she was recommended to me by somebody at work. I don't know why I went really, curious I guess as to where my life was going like most people. She picked up a lot about me and said some profound things about me, very profound indeed, but that's another story.
Anyway I carried on reading the four gospels when I could, on and off, then my reading was interrupted by some bad news.

April last year my wife announced she wanted to leave me. I knew something was wrong but didn't expect it. It was a massive blow. A couple of weeks later she left and went to stay with a friend for 3 weeks who lives the other side of the world. She wanted to think about her life and make sure she was doing the right thing and needed space.
I coped as best I could, carried on working and when not working I went for long hikes in the forest with my dog early in the morning to catch the sun rising. It was in this time that the "comfort feeling" came back, very strongly this time.
In the second week of my wife being away I picked up the Bible to read before going to sleep. I read the gospels and they comforted me. Before switching off the light to sleep I said something like "please god through jesus christ give me the strength to face what will happen to me. Can you help me please" then I slept.

I can only try to explain what happnened next. I am a level-headed, fit guy and I don't drink, smoke or take drugs. I had a dream, which was so vivid it was unbelievable. All I saw was a wooden cross, there was no background, just the cross. The cross was saturated in blood, to the point of if you pressed your finger on it the blood would have ouzed out the grain. Somebody had bled to death on the cross and it had soaked up every drop like a sponge, it was impregnated with blood, dripping continually.
To accompany this I had an unbelievable feeling of love and affection, entirely overwhelming to the point I felt like weeping. It felt as though if somebody had asked me in the dream what the meaning of life was I could have told them the answer! I was hoping this feeling would stay till I awoke, it was totally consuming. But the feeling that really hit me was why Jesus died on the cross for me, it was there, the answer, the relevance! The feeling I was smothered with was his death encompassed everyone and everything. It was beyond anything, and I can't even begin to describe what it felt like, it was beyond description, beyond words, but it was nice! This is best as I can describe it.

What seemed like a 2 minute dream when I awoke was actually a good nights sleep.
It was so powerful that when I got up it made the rest of the day have a weird ambiance about it. It hit hard. Now, I am a level headed guy and I don't rush to conclusions. I like to investigate things fully and get answers. I didn't make any commitments based on this dream/vision whatever you want to call it. Whatever you think reading this you have to admit the timing of it was impeccable. You could well say "well, he had that because he was desparate and reading the Bible" maybe so, but who or what "conditioned" it to happen? Whatever, it tasted and felt fantastic and I hope I have another!

I went on more walks in the forest and at times felt so up-lifted and in an elevated state it was untrue. I didn't care for anything and felt at total peace with myself. If somebody had come up to me with a .44 magnum and said they were going to blow my head off I wouldn't have cared, I would have just smiled at them and said "pull the trigger then!" I saw people differently, felt sorry and pity for everybody and felt I had to help them. People I hated with a passion, wished death upon and couldn't stand them to the point of feeling sick I finally accepted for what they were. I even felt sorry for them and wanted to hug them. This negative time in my life intiated a change in me. All the turmoil, physcial, mental anugish had been lifted.

My wife returned after her 3 weeks away and luckily we have managed to work things out and are still together.We have another dog now and things are going along quite nicely.
Since then I have been reading lots more and have recently ventured into the Old Testament. The Bible is a vast subject and due to work etc sometimes it is hard to fit it all in, and at times I don't feel like reading. I have these times of massive up-liftment regulary, they are nice. I have had no dreams or visions again. Oh how I long for another!
I am almost at the point now of going to church, just a case of which one as there are so many denominations. I am starting an Alpha Course in September which I am looking forward to. It's great, wish I had done it sooner. Seek and you shall find!

I don't think it's a case of finding Jesus, he has always been there with us, and always will be. People can reject and do, like I did. It's a case of discovering and accepting the spirit and finding harmony, or a level of being "in-tune" in my opinion.
Once I feel I have found that totally, and consistantly then I will give myself to the spirit and god. I'll have a full immersion Baptism. I'll be home, I'm finding my way home after making my spirit walk aimlessly through life.
I have a book called "Jesus and ourselves" that I have yet to read but there is a very poinient little verse in there that I'd like to share.

"Just as somebody throws a pebble into water and causes a ripple, our spirit causes a ripple that brakes on the shores of gods kingodm"

So there you go, that's a little about me. Hope you find it interesting. Any questions feel free. Many thanks for the interest.
Peace to you all.
 
So there you go, that's a little about me. Hope you find it interesting. Any questions feel free. Many thanks for the interest.
Peace to you all.
just a question , what do you think about what Jesus said in JOHN 17;3 .

Jesus said that the way to everlasting life was to take in knowledge about the true God , and the one he sent forth Jesus christ .



do you know who the true God is ? and do you know who Jesus christ is ?

because taking in knowledge about both of these leads to everlasting life and it is all in the bible .

This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. John 17;3





That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah,
You alone are the Most High over all the earth.psalm 83;18


you mention that you have a KJV bible, have a look in psalm 83;18 it mentions who the true God is. :)
 
just a question , what do you think about what Jesus said in JOHN 17;3 .

My biblical expertise is still in it's infancy so I will try my best.

"This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ."

To me this is Jesus stating that he is the only way to god and to know god. Through him you will have eternal life. It also says to me personally he was put here to show god is for everyone and to lead the way in showing the divinity and "realm" of god. It is an in-direct claim of being god.

do you know who the true God is ? and do you know who Jesus christ is ?

I need more time to digest these questions and I'll try and post a response in due course. You want to know how god and Jesus are applicable to me personally or how they should be perceived by all?

you mention that you have a KJV bible, have a look in psalm 83;18 it mentions who the true God is. :)

Yep read that, but the prelude to that, psalm 83; 1-17 shows god to be violent and rather intent on retribution to the max. God sounds bitter to me and different to what god is. If what I have tasted is anything to go by then god is unconditional love and a feeling which is simply beyond our comprehensation, not one of destruction and vengeance.
 
My biblical expertise is still in it's infancy so I will try my best.

"This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ."

To me this is Jesus stating that he is the only way to god and to know god. Through him you will have eternal life. It also says to me personally he was put here to show god is for everyone and to lead the way in showing the divinity and "realm" of god. It is an in-direct claim of being god.



I need more time to digest these questions and I'll try and post a response in due course. You want to know how god and Jesus are applicable to me personally or how they should be perceived by all?



Yep read that, but the prelude to that, psalm 83; 1-17 shows god to be violent and rather intent on retribution to the max. God sounds bitter to me and different to what god is. If what I have tasted is anything to go by then god is unconditional love and a feeling which is simply beyond our comprehensation, not one of destruction and vengeance.
Consider, that the questions you've been asked, may not have the answers you're looking for. In short, I smell a set up.

Main stream Christianity, makes clear that Jesus is God, and is the same as the Father, and is the same as the Holy Spirit which is with us this very moment. Others have views that negate the roles and status of any, but the Father. That is not mainstream, nor the oldest thought on Christianity. Indeed, the "Coptics" consider the three as one and the one as three.

What you are about to be told, well; like a doctor's visit for what is ailing you, it is best to consider a second and third opinion...

my two "sense"
 
Thanks for the great story, Penguin. I will think about it.

Look at this parable from Luke chapter 8. To me, Jesus parable explains that no one can steal the gift of God from you, as long as you stay mentally receptive like 'soft ground', take the message in deep down (let it affect the way you live), and aren't choked too much by other concerns like trying to get rich. The gift of God does the rest.
portions of Luke chapter 8 said:

Jesus parable of the 'seed':

verses 5-9 "A sower went out to sow his seed; and as he sowed, some fell along the path, and was trodden under foot, and the birds of the air devoured it. And some fell on the rock; and as it grew up, it withered away, because it had no moisture. And some fell among thorns; and the thorns grew with it and choked it. And some fell into good soil and grew, and yielded a hundredfold." As he said this, he called out, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear." And when his disciples asked him what this parable meant,

Jesus explanation of the parable:

verses 11-15 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. The ones along the path are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, that they may not believe and be saved. And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy; but these have no root, they believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. And as for what fell among the thorns, they are those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by the cares and riches and pleasures of life, and their fruit does not mature. And as for that in the good soil, they are those who, hearing the word, hold it fast in an honest and good heart, and bring forth fruit with patience.
 
Consider, that the questions you've been asked, may not have the answers you're looking for. In short, I smell a set up.

Main stream Christianity, makes clear that Jesus is God, and is the same as the Father, and is the same as the Holy Spirit which is with us this very moment. Others have views that negate the roles and status of any, but the Father. That is not mainstream, nor the oldest thought on Christianity. Indeed, the "Coptics" consider the three as one and the one as three.

What you are about to be told, well; like a doctor's visit for what is ailing you, it is best to consider a second and third opinion...

my two "sense"

Yep, interesting point Q. I like hearing all options available:) Hopefully mee will point these out.
 
Yep, interesting point Q. I like hearing all options available:) Hopefully mee will point these out.


the knowledge of Jehovah and Jesus Christ as found in the Bible is sufficient to show you how to gain everlasting life.
The Bible is a unique book.
The Creator kindly inspired it in such a way that even unlettered men with limited opportunities can take in enough knowledge to gain everlasting life.


i am glad about that because mee likes to stick to the bible , its the way to go .


 
Hopefully mee will point these out.




TheTrue God Revealed




The true God is readily distinguishable from the many false gods.


He is the almighty Creator of the universe, including planet Earth and mankind upon it.

He has a unique personal name—Jehovah, or Yahweh.

He is no part of a mysterious triune god, or Trinity.
He is a God of love, and he wishes only the best for his human creation.
But he is also a God of justice, and he will not forever tolerate those who insist on ruining the earth and fomenting wars and violence.



Jehovah has revealed his determination not only to rid the earth of wickedness and suffering but also to make it a paradise where honesthearted people can live forever in happiness. (Psalm 37:10, 11, 29, 34)


Almighty God has now installed his Son, Jesus, as the heavenly King of God’s Kingdom, and soon Jesus will usher in that new world of righteousness and restore Paradise conditions to our earth.—Daniel 2:44; Matthew 6:9, 10.


Yes it good to keep on taking in knowledge of the true God and his son Jesus christ .






Do not quickly dismiss everlasting life as a mere dream.

Instead, look at the way the human body is made. It is splendidly designed to taste, hear, smell, see, and feel. There is so much on the earth that delights our senses—delicious food, pleasant birdsong, fragrant flowers, beautiful scenery, delightful companionship!

And our amazing brain is far more than a supercomputer, for it enables us to appreciate and enjoy all such things.

Do you think that our Creator wants us to die and lose all of this? Would it not be more reasonable to conclude that he wants us to live happily and to enjoy life forever? Well, that is what the knowledge of God can mean for you and mee.:)









 
The Hebrew Scriptures contain many prophecies that provide details about the Messiah’s background, time of appearance, activities, treatment by others, and place in God’s arrangement.

The various indications about the Messiah thus combined to form one grand picture that would help true worshipers to identify him.


This would provide a basis for faith in him as the true Leader sent by Jehovah.

Though the Jews did not recognize ahead of time all the prophecies that related to the Anointed One, the evidence in the Gospels shows that they had sufficient knowledge by which to recognize the Messiah when he did appear.
 
Can somebody point me in the direction of finding some sort of list or reference of all the prophecies about the messiah in the old testament, which Jesus in turn then fulfilled.
I have read something along the lines of - "that on one occasion he fulfilled 20-30 prophecies in one day from the old testament" I assume this would be his death?
To help my Bible study I'd be very interested to know where to find them in detail.
Many thanks.

heres one for starters



Ge 49:10 Born of the tribe of Judah Mt 1:2-16; Lu 3:23-33; Heb 7:14
 
Ps 132:11; From the family of David the son ofJesse
Isa 9:7;
ISA 11:1,
ISA11:10


MATTHEW 1;1,6-16, 9;27....ACTS 13;22-23......ROMANS 1;3,15;8,12





Mic 5:2 Born in Bethlehem Lu 2:4-11; Joh 7:42


Isa 7:14 Born of a virgin Mt 1:18-23; Lu 1:30-35

Jer 31:15 Babes killed after his birth Mt 2:16-18


Ho 11:1 Called out of Eygpt Mt 2:15

Mal 3:1; Way prepared before Mt 3:1-3; 11:10-14;
mal 4:5; ............. mt17:10-13; Lu 1:17, 76;
Isa 40:3 .......luke 3:3-6; 7:27; Joh 1:20-23;
John 3:25-28; Ac 13:24; 19:4



Isa 61:1, 2 Commissioned ....Lu 4:18-21


Isa 9:1, 2 Ministry caused people in Naphtali and Zebulun to see great light......Mt 4:13-16


Ps 78:2 Spoke with illustrations Mt 13:11-13, 31-35

Isa 53:4 Carried our sicknessesMt 8:16, 17




 
Ps 69:9 Zealous for Jehovahs houseMt 21:12, 13; Joh 2:13-17


Isa 42:1-4 As Jehovah’s servant would not wrangle in streetsMt 12:14-21


Isa 53:1 Not believed in.... Joh 12:37, 38; Ro 10:11, 16

Zec 9:9; Entry intoJerusalem on colt of an ass ....Mt 21:1-9; Mr 11:7-11;
Ps 118:26 ...... Lu 19:28-38;

hailed as king and one coming in Jehovahs name Joh 12:12-15

Isa 28:16; Rejected but becomes chief cornerstone Mt 21:42, 45, 46; Ac 3:14;

isiah53:3; .....acts 4:11; 1Pe 2:7

Ps 69:8;
Ps 118:22, 23


Isa 8:14, 15 Becomes stone of stumbling Lu 20:17, 18; Ro 9:31-33


Ps 41:9; One apostle unfaithful betrays him Mt 26:47-50; Joh 13:18, 26-30;


Ps 109:8 .....Ac 1:16-20

Zec 11:12 Betrayed for 30pieces of silver Mt 26:15; 27:3-10; Mr 14:10, 11

Zec 13:7 Disciples scatter Mt 26:31, 56; Joh 16:32


Ps 2:1, 2 Roman powers and leaders of israel act togeather against annointed of Jehovah.....Mt 27:1, 2; Mr 15:1, 15;
Lu 23:10-12; Ac 4:25-28



Isa 53:8 Tried and condemned Mt 26:57-68; 27:1, 2, 11-26;

Joh 18:12-14, 19-24, 28-40;
Joh 19:1-16


Ps 27:12 Use of false witnesses Mt 26:59-61; Mr 14:56-59


Isa 53:7 Silent before acusers Mt 27:12-14; Mr 14:61;
Mr 15:4, 5; Lu 23:9


Ps 69:4 Hated without cause Lu 23:13-25; Joh 15:24, 25













 
Isa 50:6; Struck, spit on Mt 26:67; 27:26, 30; Joh 19:3
Mic 5:1

Impaled Mt 27:35; Mr 15:24, 25;
Lu 23:33; Joh 19:18, 23;
Joh 20:25, 27
 
Penguin said:
Thanks for the interest, it's just a very brief summary
Proverbs 14:10 The heart knows its own bitterness, and no stranger shares its joy.

Provers 14:13 Even in laughter the heart is sad, and the end of joy is grief.
We do what we can. I may not have coco-nuts on my island, but I've got rocks, sunlight and mosquitoes.
 
Thanks Mee, you've been busy!:) I'll print these off and read up.
 
Thanks Mee, you've been busy!:) I'll print these off and read up.

Most remarkable of all, however, are the many prophecies relative to the coming of the Messiah, who was to provide a ransom for man’s sins.

For example, the prophecy of Micah states: "You, O Bethlehem . . . from you there will come out to me the one who is to become ruler in Israel." (Mic. 5:2)

That prophecy was written before 716 B.C.E. More than 700 years later, or in 2 B.C.E., Jesus Christ was "born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king," in fulfillment of Micah’s prophecy. (Matt. 2:1-6)


 
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