greymare
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and they can always walk back. (with their tail between their legs,) imo. god forgives. proof.
If Jesus is God...
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mee
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Showing that Jesus was clearly no ordinary person, an angel announced in advance his conception and birth, saying:
"This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High." Notice that the angel said, not "God," but "Son of the Most High."—Luke 1:30-32.
"This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High." Notice that the angel said, not "God," but "Son of the Most High."—Luke 1:30-32.
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mee
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Notice the angels didn't say he was not God, quote]
very true, they said he was GODS SON . its good to stick to what the bible REALLY teaches
And a voice came out of the cloud, saying: "This is my Son, the one that has been chosen. Listen to him LUKE 9;35
For he received from God the Father honor and glory, when words such as these were borne to him by the magnificent glory: "This is my son, my beloved, whom I myself have approved.
2 PETER 1;17
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Good point.Notice the angels didn't say he was not God, quote]
very true, they said he was GODS SON . its good to stick to what the bible REALLY teaches
And a voice came out of the cloud, saying: "This is my Son, the one that has been chosen. Listen to him LUKE 9;35
For he received from God the Father honor and glory, when words such as these were borne to him by the magnificent glory: "This is my son, my beloved, whom I myself have approved.
2 PETER 1;17
Mee likes what the bible really teaches
Isaiah 43:11, states that "only" God is Savior, yet in Titus 2:13-14, Jesus is called "Savior".
Isaiah 44:24 states that "only" God is creator, yet in John 1:3; Colossians 1:16, Jesus is called "Creator".
Glory is "only" to God in Isaiah 6:1-5, yet "Glory" is to Jesus in John 12:41.
Yahweh and Elohim are applied to Jesus (Mark 1:24 compared to Isaiah 40:3).
In Psalm 119:25, 37, 40, 50, 88, 93, 107, 149,154,156,159 - God gives and preserves life. In John 5:21, Jesus gives and preserves life.
Ezekiel 43:2 claims God's voice like the the roar of rushing waters. Jesus' voice is like the roar of rushing waters in Refelation 1:15.
Only God is to be worshipped (Exodus 34:14). Yet Jesus received and condoned worship of him as noted Mat 2:11, 8:2, 9:18, 15:25, 28:9; John 9:38; Heb 1:6
Indeed, the Bible speaks volumes as to the identity of Jesus...
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And many times in revelations Jesus (the Lamb) is on the throne with the Father receiving worship and glory.
I was concerned about "overkill" lol
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mee
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with the father ? If i am with someone it does not make me them
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mee
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indeed it does
I—I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior." isaiah 43;11
By this the love of God was made manifest in our case, because God sent forth his only-begotten Son into the world that we might gain life through him
1 john 4;9
So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of undeserved kindness and truth
john 1;14
"For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
For God sent forth his Son into the world, not for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through john 3;16-17
And as noted above in my previous post, according to scripture (OT/NT) that "Son" is "God".indeed it does
I—I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior." isaiah 43;11
By this the love of God was made manifest in our case, because God sent forth his only-begotten Son into the world that we might gain life through him
1 john 4;9
So the Word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of undeserved kindness and truth
john 1;14
"For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.
For God sent forth his Son into the world, not for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through john 3;16-17
Thanks, for reaffirming that mee.
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mee
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very true
The Trinity is not a teaching of Jesus or of the early Christians. As noted previously, it is "a teaching of the church."
In its 1999 issue on the Trinity, The Living Pulpit observed: "Sometimes, it seems that everyone assumes that the doctrine of the trinity is standard Christian theological fare," but it added that it is not "a biblical idea."
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mee
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I m just wondering: What is the use af all this confusion, unclarity, and ambiguity????
Normally, a divine message come to solve our problems, and answer our questions, and not to add others.
In some places in the Bible, we find Jesus (pbuh) said: " I m not God", and other places: " I am God's son"
what is worth noting is that Jesus never said :" I m God", and it is the interpretation which lead to that conclusion. Why would God make you confused, and not give you a clear, undoubtfull statement that Jesus is God, and end the confusion???
In my opinion, it is the interpretation which lead to that confusion. One cant give a clear-cut Biblical statement that Jesus (pbuh) is God, but rather he/ she would give you comparing/ interpreting statements. God is one, and that what Jesus (pbuh) came to teach. And that what suits reason, heart, and nature.
????Normally, a divine message come to solve our problems, and answer our questions, and not to add others.
In some places in the Bible, we find Jesus (pbuh) said: " I m not God", and other places: " I am God's son"
what is worth noting is that Jesus never said :" I m God", and it is the interpretation which lead to that conclusion. Why would God make you confused, and not give you a clear, undoubtfull statement that Jesus is God, and end the confusion???
In my opinion, it is the interpretation which lead to that confusion. One cant give a clear-cut Biblical statement that Jesus (pbuh) is God, but rather he/ she would give you comparing/ interpreting statements. God is one, and that what Jesus (pbuh) came to teach. And that what suits reason, heart, and nature.
- " Why callest you me God? There is no God but one, that is, God" (Mark 10:18)
- " My father and your father, and my God and your God" (John 20:17)
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Please be careful in quoting the bible and throwing around this type of inaccurate statement in a christian forum in light of all scripture, Jesus never said he is not God. There is confusion because there are people involved with preconceived notions, arrogance, stubbornness or ignorance just as it is found in any religion including yours. Christian doctrine many times is misunderstood by those who have no spiritual grounding in the gospel. People making incorrect statements, who are not well studied in Christianity and strong in the Spirit do not really speak for Christianity.I m just wondering: What is the use af all this confusion, unclarity, and ambiguity
In some places in the Bible, we find Jesus (pbuh) said: " I m not God", and other places: " I am God's son"
there is no unclarity, confusion or ambiguity Dialogue. It is called deliberately turning a blind eye, because people want what they want in Christianity...much like the Shiia, the Sunni, the Suffi, etc., all have a way they want to see things in Islam.I m just wondering: What is the use af all this confusion, unclarity, and ambiguity
Normally, a divine message come to solve our problems, and answer our questions, and not to add others.
In some places in the Bible, we find Jesus (pbuh) said: " I m not God", and other places: " I am God's son"
what is worth noting is that Jesus never said :" I m God", and it is the interpretation which lead to that conclusion. Why would God make you confused, and not give you a clear, undoubtfull statement that Jesus is God, and end the confusion???
In my opinion, it is the interpretation which lead to that confusion. One cant give a clear-cut Biblical statement that Jesus (pbuh) is God, but rather he/ she would give you comparing/ interpreting statements. God is one, and that what Jesus (pbuh) came to teach. And that what suits reason, heart, and nature.
- " Why callest you me God? There is no God but one, that is, God" (Mark 10:18)
- " My father and your father, and my God and your God" (John 20:17)
One can not in good conscience take a partial text and attempt to make it stand on its own merit. One has to take the whole of the text surrounding the point being made, and address issues from there. Problem is, half the time, when the whole of the text is brought to bear, the original point dis-appears...(funny how that happens).
lunamoth
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For the record, mark 10:18 is
18"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good—except God alone. 19You know the commandments: 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not defraud, honor your father and mother.'[d]"