Indeed, Jesus was answering the reason as to why he was good...I think the term is "read between the lines", and he was telling us who he was, by moving forward after the "pause".
If Jesus is God...
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yes the most high JEHOVAH is very good
"Jehovah is near to all those calling upon him, . . . and their cry for help he will hear, and he will save them."—Ps. 145:18, 19.
Praise Jah, you people!" The name Jah is an abbreviated form of the name Jehovah.
Jehovah is the personal name of God, the Creator.
"Praise Jehovah from the heavens, praise him in the heights. Praise him, all you his angels. Praise him, all you his army. Praise him, you sun and moon. Praise him, all you stars of light. Praise him, you heavens of the heavens, and you waters that are above the heavens. Let them praise the name of Jehovah; for he himself commanded, and they were created. . . . [Praise Jehovah] you kings of the earth and all you national groups, you princes and all you judges of the earth, you young men and also you virgins, you old men together with boys. Let them praise the name of Jehovah, for his name alone is unreachably high. . . .
Praise Jah, you people!"—Ps. 148:1-5, 11-14.
"Jehovah is near to all those calling upon him, . . . and their cry for help he will hear, and he will save them."—Ps. 145:18, 19.
Praise Jah, you people!" The name Jah is an abbreviated form of the name Jehovah.
Jehovah is the personal name of God, the Creator.
"Praise Jehovah from the heavens, praise him in the heights. Praise him, all you his angels. Praise him, all you his army. Praise him, you sun and moon. Praise him, all you stars of light. Praise him, you heavens of the heavens, and you waters that are above the heavens. Let them praise the name of Jehovah; for he himself commanded, and they were created. . . . [Praise Jehovah] you kings of the earth and all you national groups, you princes and all you judges of the earth, you young men and also you virgins, you old men together with boys. Let them praise the name of Jehovah, for his name alone is unreachably high. . . .
Praise Jah, you people!"—Ps. 148:1-5, 11-14.
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oh yes ,to seperate ones,, not the same sorry . Jesus is Gods son as Jehovah informs us LUKE 9;35
And a voice came out of the cloud, saying: "This is my Son, the one that has been chosen. Listen to him.
Lets get it in perspective
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No, when the topic is Jesus is God, you start posting about Jehova in the jw sense, which is the Father only and it had nothing to do with the topic at hand. However, do not get confused that in the Christian sense YHWH is both the Father and the Son, not two seperate Gods but one God. Jesus is YHWH as the bible, the Father, the Spirit inform us, as well as the Son, the Lamb, the creator, the saviour, the redeemer, and Lord.
This is about Jesus being God, mee. Attempting to de-rail the thread to another concept is not acceptable. I would hope you can "learn" from the past...but apparently not.
Jesus is Gods son as Jehovah informs us LUKE 9;35
And a voice came out of the cloud, saying: "This is my Son, the one that has been chosen. Listen to him.
Lets get it in perspective
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Thank you for correcting me, lunamoth. I m very grateful for that.
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Let's discuss the following, Quahom1
It is true that God is Savior, and it is through Him, we can save others. In other words, when we show to others God's way, we then save them. Hence, all the prophets are saviors. Also, ordinary people can be saviors from a lot of bad things. But, the propehts are the best saviors for they show us God's path
God is creator. and people can be creators too. Jesus (pbuh) is creator, and whatever he created, it was through God. The real Creator is God fro he created Jesus (pbuh) and all creatures.
Yes, in the first and in the last place, Glory is to God. and that glory reach all those who spread God' words and follow His teaching. Either they are prophets, or believers.
What I want to say, Quahom1, is that through following God, and His teachings, we can take some of God's traits. God is merciful, compassionate, just, wise,etc ....humans can be so, too if they follow Him. But, God is the source of all these. Without Him, nothing can occure, and nothing can be created.
It is true that God is Savior, and it is through Him, we can save others. In other words, when we show to others God's way, we then save them. Hence, all the prophets are saviors. Also, ordinary people can be saviors from a lot of bad things. But, the propehts are the best saviors for they show us God's path
God is creator. and people can be creators too. Jesus (pbuh) is creator, and whatever he created, it was through God. The real Creator is God fro he created Jesus (pbuh) and all creatures.
Yes, in the first and in the last place, Glory is to God. and that glory reach all those who spread God' words and follow His teaching. Either they are prophets, or believers.
What I want to say, Quahom1, is that through following God, and His teachings, we can take some of God's traits. God is merciful, compassionate, just, wise,etc ....humans can be so, too if they follow Him. But, God is the source of all these. Without Him, nothing can occure, and nothing can be created.
We can discuss as you wish Dialogue. However I must point out something that you may not care to hear.
You seem curious about Christianity, which is wonderful. I on the otherhand, am not curious about Islam, not in the least. Nor do I wish to convert you to Christianity with "words". I can't, and it would be arrogant for me to try.
Islam holds no benefit for a man like me, where as Christianity is my only hope.
If you wish to continue this conversation, I am inclined, now that we both understand each other.
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You seem curious about Christianity, which is wonderful. I on the otherhand, am not curious about Islam, not in the least. Nor do I wish to convert you to Christianity with "words". I can't, and it would be arrogant for me to try.
Islam holds no benefit for a man like me, where as Christianity is my only hope.
If you wish to continue this conversation, I am inclined, now that we both understand each other.
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Jesus as God's son, not the 'one' God
I have not read a single word of this thread beyond the OP, but this is my take on the issue:
Debates have raged over the status of Jesus' divinity (or lack thereof) from the earliest periods in Christianity history. This comes as no surprise because the NT texts supporting Jesus' divinity are a bit vague, and there's a tension between passages that identify Jesus' Father as the only/one God and passages where Jesus' divinity is suggested.
It should be remembered that during the time the NT writings were written, there were no universally applicable systematized, formulaic creedal dogmas about the relationship of Jesus' sonship status to the Father's godhood. There was no doctrine of the Trinity, there was no NT canon that could support any one doctrine, and nothing that you could call 'orthodox'. Christianity was diversified, and this is reflected in writings from that period and in our NT writings.
There's a reason Jesus is nowhere recorded as saying 'I am God' (besides the historical implausibility of him ever saying such a thing), and that's because such a high Christology, the highest there is, in fact, did not exist during the composition of our NT texts, at least not in a Trinitarian or Modalist sense, for example. However, there were Christologies that associated Jesus with the divine by ascribing to him superlatives and other terminologies often applied to God himself. The best example, and probably expressing the highest Christology (and not surprisingly one of the later NT documents), is found in the Johannine gospel. Jesus is the divine Word (John i.1c), one with the Father (John x:30), and called a god openly without rebuke by one of Jesus' disciples in John xx.28.
At the same time, the author acknowledges Jesus' subordination to God himself (John v.19; xiv.28; xvii.3, et al), and even calls the Father Jesus' God (xx.17). There is an apparent tension there between Jesus' divinity and his subordination, and it is not to be explained by the later explanations of this tension which came out of generations of debate and culminated with doctrines like the Hypostatic Union. This dogma simply did not exist when John was written. Rather, the high Christology in John comes as close as possible with associating Jesus with God without ever fully doing so because that would be to introduce polytheism into the religion.
Alternatively in the case of John, which is believed by some scholars to be a proto-Gnostic work (it appealed to Gnostic theologies and was cherished, for example, by the Valentinian Gnostics who used it as their only gospel), the author could have been introducing a sort of polytheism into Christianity, viz., a kind of henotheism (Jesus could be called a 'god' but was still subordinate to the Father), and many Gnostic Christians believed in many gods who emanated from the supreme God (and Jesus was one of these emanations; cf. John viii.42; xvi.27, et al).
So there's several possibilities, and none of them are as simple as: 'Orthodox Christianity says "Jesus is God" so that's what the writings of the NT mean'.
Thanks,
Eric
I have not read a single word of this thread beyond the OP, but this is my take on the issue:
Debates have raged over the status of Jesus' divinity (or lack thereof) from the earliest periods in Christianity history. This comes as no surprise because the NT texts supporting Jesus' divinity are a bit vague, and there's a tension between passages that identify Jesus' Father as the only/one God and passages where Jesus' divinity is suggested.
It should be remembered that during the time the NT writings were written, there were no universally applicable systematized, formulaic creedal dogmas about the relationship of Jesus' sonship status to the Father's godhood. There was no doctrine of the Trinity, there was no NT canon that could support any one doctrine, and nothing that you could call 'orthodox'. Christianity was diversified, and this is reflected in writings from that period and in our NT writings.
There's a reason Jesus is nowhere recorded as saying 'I am God' (besides the historical implausibility of him ever saying such a thing), and that's because such a high Christology, the highest there is, in fact, did not exist during the composition of our NT texts, at least not in a Trinitarian or Modalist sense, for example. However, there were Christologies that associated Jesus with the divine by ascribing to him superlatives and other terminologies often applied to God himself. The best example, and probably expressing the highest Christology (and not surprisingly one of the later NT documents), is found in the Johannine gospel. Jesus is the divine Word (John i.1c), one with the Father (John x:30), and called a god openly without rebuke by one of Jesus' disciples in John xx.28.
At the same time, the author acknowledges Jesus' subordination to God himself (John v.19; xiv.28; xvii.3, et al), and even calls the Father Jesus' God (xx.17). There is an apparent tension there between Jesus' divinity and his subordination, and it is not to be explained by the later explanations of this tension which came out of generations of debate and culminated with doctrines like the Hypostatic Union. This dogma simply did not exist when John was written. Rather, the high Christology in John comes as close as possible with associating Jesus with God without ever fully doing so because that would be to introduce polytheism into the religion.
Alternatively in the case of John, which is believed by some scholars to be a proto-Gnostic work (it appealed to Gnostic theologies and was cherished, for example, by the Valentinian Gnostics who used it as their only gospel), the author could have been introducing a sort of polytheism into Christianity, viz., a kind of henotheism (Jesus could be called a 'god' but was still subordinate to the Father), and many Gnostic Christians believed in many gods who emanated from the supreme God (and Jesus was one of these emanations; cf. John viii.42; xvi.27, et al).
So there's several possibilities, and none of them are as simple as: 'Orthodox Christianity says "Jesus is God" so that's what the writings of the NT mean'.
Thanks,
Eric
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you can lead a horse to water, but you cant make him drink. no one can be saved unless they accept christ, which is personal and spiritual. we may help point the way, but we are not saviours, just preachers of the gospel. God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. By grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast.
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I would like to know where in my post I talked about Islam, or there is the least intention of wishing to convert you to Islam!!!! Can you tell me, Quahom1? I need to have an idea about how you looked at my post.
Forgive my assumption Diaglogue. You did not speak of Islam. However, you are more than a single post, and I have come to know you through your thoughts expressed in the past. I know what you hold dear to your heart, and can't help but 'read' that when you post questions and thoughts here.
There are two kinds of people we can see coming for miles around...enemies and friends, and I saw you coming, my friend...
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Forgive my assumption Diaglogue. You did not speak of Islam. However, you are more than a single post, and I have come to know you through your thoughts expressed in the past. I know what you hold dear to your heart, and can't help but 'read' that when you post questions and thoughts here.
There are two kinds of people we can see coming for miles around...enemies and friends, and I saw you coming, my friend...
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Thank you for your nice words, Quahom1. For a while, I thought I havent the right to enter the Christian board unless I have a question. And when I m replied, I havent the right to disscuss. You confused me, Quahom1
. And if that is the case, let me know, please.I think it isnt necessary for people to hold the same thoughts when they discuss a topic. What is needed and necessary is not to throw one's thoughts on others and ask them to believe in them without giving them space for reflection and discussion. After all," This is my view, and this is your view, and I m glad to meet you, right?
"Indeed. Though that was not my intent. So, we start again...Thank you for your nice words, Quahom1. For a while, I thought I havent the right to enter the Christian board unless I have a question. And when I m replied, I havent the right to disscuss. You confused me, Quahom1
I think it isnt necessary for people to hold the same thoughts when they discuss a topic. What is needed and necessary is not to throw one's thoughts on others and ask them to believe in them without giving them space for reflection and discussion. After all," This is my view, and this is your view, and I m glad to meet you, right?
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Some people seem to think so and you will also have your own little planet and have a wife and make little spirit babies also.
Yeah sounds ridiculous doesn't it?