Bad translations, Misinterpations add ons. What do we really know??

[mee]

What does this say in the context of the verse?
and if anyman hears My voice and believe NOT I judge him NOT, for I came NOT to judge the world but to SAVE the world. (John 12:47).
Context, context, context.

when Jesus came to earth , he did not do judgeing at that time .





For God sent forth his Son into the world, not for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him.
john 3;17


For the Son of man came to seek and to save what was lost."luke 19;10




However, Jesus cried out and said: "He that puts faith in me puts faith, not in me [only], but in him [also] that sent me;

45 and he that beholds me beholds [also] him that sent me.

46 I have come as a light into the world, in order that everyone putting faith in me may not remain in the darkness.

47 But if anyone hears my sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I came, not to judge the world, but to save the world.

48 He that disregards me and does not receive my sayings has one to judge him. The word that I have spoken is what will judge him in the last day;

49 because I have not spoken out of my own impulse, but the Father himself who sent me has given me a commandment as to what to tell and what to speak.

50 Also, I know that his commandment means everlasting life. Therefore the things I speak, just as the Father has told me [them], so I speak [them]."
john 12;44-50


Jehovah’s love for the world of mankind moved him to send Jesus so that those who put faith in him might be saved.

Whether people are saved will be determined by whether they obey the things God instructed Jesus to speak.

The judgment will take place "in the last day," during Christ’s Thousand Year Reign.

 

[Bishadi]

Meanwhile Jesus, who was and had been sitting at the right hand of God for quite some time, put the scroll down for a moment to listen to the conversation....

now any can see a lie when they read it

Marsh you are representing word that are fiction. What hand of god? What scroll? What conversation?

If god is elsewhere from you (us) then you away from 'the garden,' by your selfish choice.

The days of his choices are over?

seems you still fib, by choice

You'd better let him know that then, Bishadi, so that he can cancel his plans!

what plans.....? who planned?

are you talking about the visions?

Jesus aint comming back, maybe read the bible

john 14 15If ye love me, keep my commandments.


16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

and since you fibbing, you can't even keep the commands, by your own choice............. a pig!

 

[Bishadi]

I don't care to impose my belief on other Bishadi. So there is nothing to be afraid of.

You have never read anything from me saying catholicism is right and everyone else is wrong...

Only time I bring it up is for comparrison, then we move on.

Right bark, wrong tree...

i was pointing out that what you shared was about what people 'think'

people can think anything they want, just do not impose the BS to people in action

to fib AT ALL, is wrong.........

just as to allow a fib IS WRONG

no in-between

as what you may think is being kind, maintains the irresponsibility as being OK.

and now look at what that type of ignorance has done to this world

 

[Bishadi]

Right on, man You said, The truth will make you free.

yep.. cuz then no one has to lie to be happy

Why is that?

to be able to comprehend reality without believing is fibs, magic, omnipotence, or rapturing crap; each can learn to be responsible and know exactly why; ........... because their life depends on it.

Why do the religious leaders teach that?

teach what?

to confess a fib to be accepted? why do they teach it?

for conformity; most every dominating leader on earth wants the constituents to bow....

it is the same reason why idiots like 'gods on throwns'

a divide is put in the dirt, that 'we the people' are completely incapable of doing 'good' basically because of them very leaders calling you idiots and you believe it....

almost like a nasty parent that continually puts their kids down until they are submissive

god don't do that.... never has!

Apocolypse, to reveal. Why don't they teach the truth?

Apocalypse (Greek: Ἀποκάλυψις Apokálypsis; "lifting of the veil") is a term applied to the disclosure to certain privileged persons of something hidden from the majority of humankind.

that is the definition

but i often think the 'revealing' or to them who do 'get the message' that in a sense, they are who become the 'raptured' in the sense, they are who are 'given' life, or purely know what it is and do something about it.

they become the 'ever-lasting' by doing good with the truth.

so to have the 'lifting' occur, then you are being per se 'raptured'..... (perhaps)

but the pictures of folks flying through the sky and dragons with many head, they are all metaphors

are they scared?

they are who divides the good guy and bad guy of prophecies............. its the 'same guy'....

brings truth; with truth each can know life and live forever by it... as well many will be judged because of their selfish 'breeding' (the fire in the sky stuff is the war within the nations, has nothing to do with the bringer of good news; they've 'chosen' their own demise)

do want to keep the masses frighten?

reliant

Whos the real liers?

creators of central control; power minds

 

[Marsh]

now any can see a lie when they read it[/I]

Marsh you are representing word that are fiction. What hand of god? What scroll? What conversation?

If god is elsewhere from you (us) then you away from 'the garden,' by your selfish choice.

seems you still fib, by choice

what plans.....? who planned?

are you talking about the visions?

Jesus aint comming back, maybe read the bible

and since you fibbing, you can't even keep the commands, by your own choice............. a pig!

Maybe read the Bible, he says?

Well read it I have, and guess what it says in the Revelation of Jesus Christ? It says that Jesus is alive and well, and has taken his place at the right hand of God-- just like he said he would-- in order to take the scroll that nobody else could and open the seven seals with which it is sealed. Jesus, the messiah who came to us just as the prophets said that he would-- according to God's plan, considering that God announced Jesus' coming in advance through said prophets (thus, planning it). The conversation I was alluding to was this one, albeit for dramatic effect in order to illustrate the abject foolishness of what you had said-- Biblical foolishness, I mean, of course.

Thus, everything in my post was perfectly biblical in its nature; not a single fib for those of us who believe in the Bible. Apparently, you do not (or are ignorant of what it actually says). That's ok; I don't mind clarifying my three-sentence posts if such is necessary in order for you to understand them, Bishadi.

And did you just call me a pig? My, you certainly have mastered the art of rhetoric!

 

[winner08]

Bishadi: did you say Jesus will not come back??
What did you mean when you said the Jesus had left the buliding 2K yrs ago?
You said Jesus said is not aroud here now days. What do you mean by that? That He being Jesus Christ as the human or Jesus being spirit is not here?
The days of His(Jesus) choices are over? What do you mean?

 

[Bishadi]

Maybe read the Bible, he says?

Should i have said maybe 'comprehend' the bible.

Know the weaknesses of mankind. They will mislead just to have friends when 'self' is priority and religious are born that way. Just to hate darwin, shares the bias. So when you read, be fair and honest and learn the lessons, not the magical renditions. You must realize magic doesn't exist.

Well read it I have, and guess what it says in the Revelation of Jesus Christ?

Jesus was aleady in the ground when any of it was written. What he taught is what lives; that is how to observe; HE lives.

It says that Jesus is alive and well, and has taken his place at the right hand of God--

where is God? If he is not 'right her' then he is elsewhere. You can feel jesus' teachings but he is not in some magical place. There is no other place except right here with 2 feet on the ground.

to take the scroll that nobody else could and open the seven seals with which it is sealed.

the metaphors that none can understand; which one do you wish to discuss?

Jesus, the messiah who came to us just as the prophets said that he would-- according to God's plan,

Jesus was not the last one, he was a person who contributed knowledge for man to evolve

He taught the injil (6 commandments)..... Mark 10

What foregiveness is, in which to forgive is to NOT allow someone elses transgressions affect how you deal with others. Such as; to be robbed by a hitchicker, should not stop you from helping another, you are supposed to forgive them.

And that another will return and finish the job. That is what YOU are awaiting but the religious interpretations have you all twisted up, thinking some guy who died 2 k years ago, magically went to another place and will magically come back like in the movies.

Thus, everything in my post was perfectly biblical in its nature; not a single fib for those of us who believe in the Bible.

so without being fair to existence, god, your children, your whole lineage of life; you stop on one book and think it is infallible?

And did you just call me a pig?

that's exactly what that means

you willing to continue a fibs because you like a specific interpretation is RUDE, when you convey the material as fact

My, you certainly have mastered the art of rhetoric!

i don't fib, and if judging is beyond your comprehension then perhaps go back to your dish and let others think for you

 

[Bishadi]

Bishadi: did you say Jesus will not come back??
What did you mean when you said the Jesus had left the buliding 2K yrs ago?
You said Jesus said is not aroud here now days. What do you mean by that? That He being Jesus Christ as the human or Jesus being spirit is not here?
The days of His(Jesus) choices are over? What do you mean?

the man; is in the dirt

the knowledge he taught, perhaps his kids if he did really have some, the energy he gave of his time to teach others, is still alive

but the man, the flesh, the individual identity of self call Jesus, is dead!

there is no utter place with your memories stuck on a spirit crusin the stars. that's all religious fibs.

when you sleep, your conscious choice is gone

when you wake up you have another change to give to life

don't waste them

that is something you and your preacher will have to deal with

the truth is, after your body stops waking up, from there forth; you live in what you did

be a good bag of rocks and make more life

cut and dry................. fact

you getting it from the seal reading fool!

problem is, the religions have lied to folks for so long people actually believe there is some magical system surrounding god

there is: nature

all the rules, all the truths, all of existence is bound to the same laws of the garden

you want to stay out of the garden? then keep believing in magic (deceptions of the serpant (man))

if you want the truth, then put your feet back on the ground, get into the garden (nature) and learn as if your life depended on it

 

[winner08]

the man; is in the dirt

the knowledge he taught, perhaps his kids if he did really have some, the energy he gave of his time to teach others, is still alive

but the man, the flesh, the individual identity of self call Jesus, is dead!

there is no utter place with your memories stuck on a spirit crusin the stars. that's all religious fibs.

when you sleep, your conscious choice is gone

when you wake up you have another change to give to life

don't waste them

that is something you and your preacher will have to deal with

the truth is, after your body stops waking up, from there forth; you live in what you did

be a good bag of rocks and make more life

cut and dry................. fact

you getting it from the seal reading fool!

problem is, the religions have lied to folks for so long people actually believe there is some magical system surrounding god

there is: nature

all the rules, all the truths, all of existence is bound to the same laws of the garden

you want to stay out of the garden? then keep believing in magic (deceptions of the serpant (man))

if you want the truth, then put your feet back on the ground, get into the garden (nature) and learn as if your life depended on it

Bishadi: I'm sorry I just don't understand most of what you just said. I do however understand and agree on your religious statement, that they (religion) has lied to their puplit and that is ashame. They have their flock believe in much nonsence.

 

[Marsh]

Should i have said maybe 'comprehend' the bible.

Know the weaknesses of mankind. They will mislead just to have friends when 'self' is priority and religious are born that way. Just to hate darwin, shares the bias. So when you read, be fair and honest and learn the lessons, not the magical renditions. You must realize magic doesn't exist.
Jesus was aleady in the ground when any of it was written. What he taught is what lives; that is how to observe; HE lives.

where is God? If he is not 'right her' then he is elsewhere. You can feel jesus' teachings but he is not in some magical place. There is no other place except right here with 2 feet on the ground.

the metaphors that none can understand; which one do you wish to discuss?

Jesus was not the last one, he was a person who contributed knowledge for man to evolve

He taught the injil (6 commandments)..... Mark 10

What foregiveness is, in which to forgive is to NOT allow someone elses transgressions affect how you deal with others. Such as; to be robbed by a hitchicker, should not stop you from helping another, you are supposed to forgive them.

And that another will return and finish the job. That is what YOU are awaiting but the religious interpretations have you all twisted up, thinking some guy who died 2 k years ago, magically went to another place and will magically come back like in the movies.

so without being fair to existence, god, your children, your whole lineage of life; you stop on one book and think it is infallible?



that's exactly what that means

you willing to continue a fibs because you like a specific interpretation is RUDE, when you convey the material as fact



i don't fib, and if judging is beyond your comprehension then perhaps go back to your dish and let others think for you

I believe you when you say that you don't fib, Bishadi. Liars are those who know the truth, but choose not to tell it. Fools, on the other hand, are those who are completely ignorant of the truth but let their mouths run anyways, similar to the clanging of a gong, or the braying of an ass.

I don't believe that you are a liar, but based on how you've replied to my previous two posts, I am fairly confident that you fall into this second category, particularly the seemingly-intentional cryptic nature of your language which, in my experience, is the watermark of someone who's trying to sound like they are smarter than they actually are. Either a fool or a bigot, having called me and every other Christian who believes in the risen Christ a pig.

Way to live up to the stereotype of the nasty Muslim, genius!

 

[Quahom1]

I believe you when you say that you don't fib, Bishadi. Liars are those who know the truth, but choose not to tell it. Fools, on the other hand, are those who are completely ignorant of the truth but let their mouths run anyways, similar to the clanging of a gong, or the braying of an ass.

I don't believe that you are a liar, but based on how you've replied to my previous two posts, I am fairly confident that you fall into this second category, particularly the seemingly-intentional cryptic nature of your language which, in my experience, is the watermark of someone who's trying to sound like they are smarter than they actually are. Either a fool or a bigot, having called me and every other Christian who believes in the risen Christ a pig.

Way to live up to the stereotype of the nasty Muslim, genius!

Ouch.

 

[Bishadi]

I believe you when you say that you don't fib, Bishadi.

wow, i would not have guessed especially after rereading your post above as that told me, ad hominen was coming next

Liars are those who know the truth, but choose not to tell it.

that is what religious quacks do

Fools, on the other hand, are those who are completely ignorant of the truth but let their mouths run anyways, similar to the clanging of a gong, or the braying of an ass.

almost like a preacher holding ONE book up against the library of congress, saying.....'this is the word of God'....

I don't believe that you are a liar, but based on how you've replied to my previous two posts, I am fairly confident

that perhaps is your lack of comprehension (reading) that allows your ignorance to be what gives you confidence

Either a fool or a bigot, having called me and every other Christian who believes in the risen Christ a pig.

you are not 'every other christian'...nor represent any but yourself...


you a liar, that knows no man can come back from the dead, except when you hold ONE book as the last word (shares your ignorance of knowledge)

Way to live up to the stereotype of the nasty Muslim, genius!

Muhammed was illiterate and conveyed material that is being followed for 1400 years.

in contrast, the truth of how life exists is between my ears and have been on this site for a long time but few comprehend the truth when it hits them in the forehead; i ain't no genius; just honest

the math is stupid easy, the hard part is conveying into words that can be understood

that has been the difficulty over millenium when conveying knowledge (hence the divisions even within same religions)

This thread is about how fools misinterpret religious writings. If that is too much to expose yourself too, fine!

Rapture is an eye opener, just as apocolypse means 'the unveiling'

But if you like the evengelical corruptions, hey,,,, that is your choice......... just leave the 'truth' to people who care about the future.

the corrupt will be extinct; that 'is' what i do!

really think about what you say otherwise, best to keep a distance as i care little for your feelings until you show you care for others over yourself.

 

[Bishadi]

stollen from Dondi

Pronunciation: \ˈrap-chər\ Function: noun Etymology: Latin raptus Date: 1594 1: an expression or manifestation of ecstasy or passion
2 a: a state or experience of being carried away by overwhelming emotion b: a mystical experience in which the spirit is exalted to a knowledge of divine things
3often capitalized : the final assumption of Christians into heaven during the end-time according to Christian theology

so what do people believe?

 

[Marsh]

you are not 'every other christian'...nor represent any but yourself...

you a liar, that knows no man can come back from the dead, except when you hold ONE book as the last word (shares your ignorance of knowledge)

in contrast, the truth of how life exists is between my ears and have been on this site for a long time but few comprehend the truth when it hits them in the forehead; i ain't no genius; just honest
the corrupt will be extinct; that 'is' what i do!

really think about what you say otherwise, best to keep a distance as i care little for your feelings until you show you care for others over yourself.

Well, let's ask the others, then? To all the Christians out there, what do you think? Do we believe that God has the power to raise Christ from the dead?

Hmmmmm.... which do I believe...... the collection of wisdom that's thousands of years old, or what's between Bishadi's ears.... hmmmmmm, this is a tough one.....

Hey, you're prophet act is starting to get pretty good. That whole "making the corrupt extinct" comment-- very powerful. And I love that whole thing about me needing to prove to you that I care for others over myself, and that I should keep my distance. Very grade three. Are you going to roll me for my lunch money, too?

 

[Dondi]

stollen from Dondi

Pronunciation: \ˈrap-chər\ Function: noun Etymology: Latin raptus Date: 1594 1: an expression or manifestation of ecstasy or passion
2 a: a state or experience of being carried away by overwhelming emotion b: a mystical experience in which the spirit is exalted to a knowledge of divine things
3often capitalized : the final assumption of Christians into heaven during the end-time according to Christian theology

so what do people believe?

Hey! Give that back! Go get your own 'rapture'.

 

[Bishadi]

Hey! Give that back! Go get your own 'rapture'.

perhaps i should have asked first

thanks for the use of the definition

 

[Bishadi]

Well, let's ask the others, then? To all the Christians out there, what do you think? Do we believe that God has the power to raise Christ from the dead?

why ask others to establish your belief?

You read a story, others like it; is that how you define truth?

What happened to "Thou mayest not bear false witness"

i think jesus said it;

"the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it doth not behold him, nor know him, and ye know him, because he doth remain with you, and shall be in you. "

Are you going to roll me for my lunch money, too?

You the religious, me the honest; see how you think.

 

[Marsh]

why ask others to establish your belief?

You the religious, me the honest; see how you think.

I'm not asking others to establish my belief. I have stated my belief, and have asked others if they agree. That is my right, because here on the Internet freedom of speech is allowed.

"Me the honest," huh? Well sir, in my experience it tends to be the case that people who claim to be honest and that others are not are the people who are the least honest. Wisdom is proven right by her actions, says the book of Proverbs; if you were really honest, there would be no reason to boast about it, because it would be apparent. Boast away, then. Or bray, rather.

Ad hominem, by the way, refers to personal attack (i.e. calling someone a pig for disagreeing with you). You opened the door, son; I just walked through it.

 

[Bishadi]

I'm not asking others to establish my belief.

yes you did, simply by suggesting because ALLLLLL them 'other' folk believe in a system of belief; that they must be right so you follow.

I have stated my belief, and have asked others if they agree. That is my right, because here on the Internet freedom of speech is allowed.

asking a question is a right, but conveying a fib is not.

"Me the honest," huh? Well sir, in my experience it tends to be the case that people who claim to be honest and that others are not are the people who are the least honest. Wisdom is proven right by her actions,

the thread in on misinterpretations; when the items were addressed, the only thing different is that your actions shared that the belief is more important than the truth

it is you that turned this into a conversation about me

Ad hominem, by the way, refers to personal attack (i.e. calling someone a pig for disagreeing with you). You opened the door, son; I just walked through it.

i call any too proud and of lying actions; a pig.

you, the pope, bush or any human being incapable of simply representing what they can 'witness' rather than the complacent acceptance of 'others' beliefs.

your whole argument is based on what 'others' have accepted over the generations........ but the context of the thread shows that what many believe is true is purely BAD translations, Miinterpretations, add ons.... etc.....

you jumped on me because i shared material you failed to comprehend in your search (reading) within the bible.

nothing i stated is incorrect, all the way through to the "name of GOD"

just because you do not understand, does not give you the right to lie, attack or simply use your keypad as a tool of selfish pride!

DO you actually think you have a right to fib because the laws of mankind allow it?

The rules say......... do not! But you don't listen to anything but your own hypocracy.

Yes, wench...... you a pig!

deal with it!

 

[Marsh]

you, the pope, bush or any human being incapable of simply representing what they can 'witness' rather than the complacent acceptance of 'others' beliefs.

Yes, Bishadi. The Pope, George Bush and I are all part of an axis of evil. Bravo...

What material is it that you shared, and that I failed to comprehend? From what I have seen, the content of your posts sums up into nothing more than an intellectual skidmark in the underpants of Interfaith Forums. You talk and talk and say absolutely nothing that adds to anyone's understanding, because your words are too full of hate to be true.