Cage
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Yes it does Dondi, I don't think I could bear being w/o God or his Love. That is a most frightful fear...
How then does one find, embrace, and keep/continue in the will of God [his Love]?
are jesus and god equal?
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Yes it does Dondi, I don't think I could bear being w/o God or his Love. That is a most frightful fear...
How then does one find, embrace, and keep/continue in the will of God [his Love]?
Dondi
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I keep going back to the words of that great old hymn:
Trust and Obey
When we walk with the Lord in the light of His Word,
What a glory He sheds on our way!
While we do His good will, He abides with us still,
And with all who will trust and obey.
Refrain
Trust and obey, for there’s no other way
To be happy in Jesus, but to trust and obey.
Not a shadow can rise, not a cloud in the skies,
But His smile quickly drives it away;
Not a doubt or a fear, not a sigh or a tear,
Can abide while we trust and obey.
Refrain
Not a burden we bear, not a sorrow we share,
But our toil He doth richly repay;
Not a grief or a loss, not a frown or a cross,
But is blessed if we trust and obey.
Refrain
But we never can prove the delights of His love
Until all on the altar we lay;
For the favor He shows, for the joy He bestows,
Are for them who will trust and obey.
Refrain
Then in fellowship sweet we will sit at His feet.
Or we’ll walk by His side in the way.
What He says we will do, where He sends we will go;
Never fear, only trust and obey.
Refrain
Words: John H. Sammis, 1887.
Music: Daniel B. Towner
JosephM
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Thomas said:
1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Col. 1:27
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Romans 12:5
So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
It seems pretty clear from these writings that we are to become like him. That is the mystery that is hid from your eyes. Christ in you is your only hope of glory (the presence of God). Think not that it is robbery to say Christ is in me and I have the mind of Christ.
Philip. 2:5-6
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: [6] Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
That same mind can be in you if you will not deny that possibility and then perhaps you may be willing to retract that statement above as error in understanding.
Love in Christ,
JM
Hi JM -
The point I was making, as Scripture makes, is that it is precisely Christ in me that makes me like Him:
"which is Christ in you," ... "we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. (And He the head)"
Not me in me. Or rather, that He conforms me to His image, I do not conform Him to mine, which is the point I was making, and by which I stand.
That we are to be like Him is a Gift of Grace and nothing man is or can be can make that an obligation.
Christ in you is your only hope of glory (the presence of God).
Absolutely. And that should be enough to humble any man – for who among men is worthy of such honour?
Thomas
The point I was making, as Scripture makes, is that it is precisely Christ in me that makes me like Him:
"which is Christ in you," ... "we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. (And He the head)"
Not me in me. Or rather, that He conforms me to His image, I do not conform Him to mine, which is the point I was making, and by which I stand.
That we are to be like Him is a Gift of Grace and nothing man is or can be can make that an obligation.
Christ in you is your only hope of glory (the presence of God).
Absolutely. And that should be enough to humble any man – for who among men is worthy of such honour?
Thomas
Cheap grace. Absolution without forgiveness.. Salvation without the cross... Thats what it is Cage..
Im not condemning you.. The law of God condemns you.. Im just telling you truth thats in that book you're learning about.. I cannot condemn anyone.. I cannot instill fear in your heart I have no power... I cannot convict you of truth only God can. I certainly am not going to lie to you. Jesus is alive and He will return.. I know where you are Ive been there and Thank you Jesus that someone told me the truth.
You either live for Christ now or die for Christ later.
If you keep talking about this with me I will keep talking if you want it to die I have no choice to let it die.. either way Im praying, Cage, because I do love you.
Im not condemning you.. The law of God condemns you.. Im just telling you truth thats in that book you're learning about.. I cannot condemn anyone.. I cannot instill fear in your heart I have no power... I cannot convict you of truth only God can. I certainly am not going to lie to you. Jesus is alive and He will return.. I know where you are Ive been there and Thank you Jesus that someone told me the truth.
You either live for Christ now or die for Christ later.
If you keep talking about this with me I will keep talking if you want it to die I have no choice to let it die.. either way Im praying, Cage, because I do love you.
JosephM
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Thanks so much for the clarification. You have cleared up that one. I acknowledge my error in perception of your meaning.
Love in Christ,
JM
Cage
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I understand, faithfulservant. I think I will retire to the liberal board for the time being, though. I have been quite humbled due to this conversation, and I want to thank you for your interest in me. I'm still learning, and have a very long way to go before I understand my place. I'm sorry for doubting you, as I have begun to doubt myself also. This is entirely of my own doing, but I trust in God, faithfulservant, and this is what will keep me. God is a mighty God indeed, and I'm truly sorry for my ignorance?
Forgive me?
Much Love,
Theres nothing to forgive.. I dont mean to come across too harshly but I do mean to come across boldly. So many of the threads on this forum are about Jesus not being God.. and I cant beat around the bush and play the tolerant all paths lead to God card...its against my religion lol.
We share a common thing always.. Jesus loved us so much that died for both of us.
We share a common thing always.. Jesus loved us so much that died for both of us.
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mee
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in true christianity it does not take on manmade doctrines such as the trinity doctrine , even though many down through time have been misled to believe this manmade doctrine it is not a true bible teaching .if we stick to true bible teaching we can see that the most highone is Jehovah ,PSALM 83;18 KJV .And his son is Jesus christ who was sent to the earth by Jehovah God the most high.
For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. For God sent forth his Son into the world, not for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him. John 3;16-17 and as Jesus himself said , the Father was greater than Jesus.
you heard that I said to you, I am going away and I am coming [back] to you. If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am. John 14;28 and the true teaching of the bible is that the HOLY SPIRIT is GODS ACTIVE FORCE.so you are right not to believe the trinity doctrine because it is not a true bible teaching many do not realize that it is an apostazing from true bible teaching. you do well to stick to the bible teaching that the father is greater than the son.
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its not manmade doctrine its scripture and it is the gospel, it is how god has revealed himself over and over and over again. just because the jw cult does not believe in it or ex-communicates those that do, does not make it manmade doctrine. the spirit of god aka the spirit of christ aka the holy spirit tell us christians that jesus is god.
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mee
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and the bible tells all people that Jesus is Gods son . stick to the bible and you cant go wrong any longer. that is what Jehovahs witness like to do ........stick to the bible , no manmade doctrines in sight for them.what a relief to be free of manmade tradition . Jehovahs witness have got out of false religion , which is a good thing for them because they are nolonger any part of the world wide empire of false religion ,yes we are out of her for good . REVELATION 18;4We have obeyed the command to get out of her because she is going to go down in a big way .Babylon the great is the worldwide empire of false religion and the trinity doctrine has its roots in babylonish beliefs. we are living in thrilling times indeed. bible prophecy always comes true . let him who has ears listen.
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yes the bible does teach that jesus is the word of god, god's son, and god, the king, the messiah, the creator, the judge, I am, YHWH, and the spirit who comes to us. therefore whatever cult is being taught otherwise is not the gospel and is being led astray if they are denying the divinity of jesus christ as the way, the truth, and the life and that no one gets to the father but through him whose name is above all names.
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mee
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For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. For God sent forth his Son into the world, not for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him. John 3;16 ...yes sticking to true bible teaching leads to everlasting life.
This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ John 17;3 taking in knowledge about both Jehovah God and Jesus christ leads to everlasting life. and as the most high Jehovah said ,we should listen to his son Jesus.
"Also, there was a voice from the heavens that said: ‘This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.’"—MATTHEW 3:17. and as Jesus himself said in John 10;36
do YOU say to me whom the Father sanctified and dispatched into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, I am God’s Son? John 10;36 .if we stick to the bible we cant go wrong.
A voice [God’s] came out of the cloud, saying: ‘This is my Son, the one that has been chosen. Listen to him.’"—Luke 9:35. yes listening to Jesus and not manmade tradtions leads to everlasting life.
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mee
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the bible tells me that Jesus is a mighty God,Stick with your "jehovah" mee.
I'll stick with Jesus, God Almighty.
Or, "Mighty Divine One." Heb., ’El Gib·bohr´
ISAIAH 9;6 but the All mighty most high is Jehovah PSALM 83;18 And he wants people to know that .
The Word of God the bible, reveals that Jesus is the Son of God, not Jehovah God himself.
Regardless of what any council or man says about Jesus’ nature, the only reliable authority is God’s Word itself, of which Jesus said: "Your word is truth." (John 17:17,
One of the cardinal teachings of the Bible is the ransom. Sin and death came upon mankind when a perfect man, Adam, transgressed Jehovah’s law. For obedient mankind to be released from the condemnation of sin and death, a ransom must be paid. It must be the exact equivalent of the perfect man Adam, for God’s law requires exactness: "You must give soul for soul, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot." So for Jesus to provide the ransom he must be a perfect man, no more, no less. Further, if Jesus had been a spirit garbed in flesh he could not really have died at man’s hands; and if he did not really die, again we see that the ransom could not have been provided. But the Bible is clear that Jesus did provide the ransom and that he was a man, not God clothed in flesh: "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all."—Ex. 21:23, 24; 1 Tim. 2:5, 6,
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mee
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Jesus is the only-begotten son of God , John 3;16that is what the bible teaches and we all want to stick to true bible teaching as that will lead us all to everlasting life John 17;3 now is the time for people to gain accurate knowledge about Jehovah and his son , the true God does not want anyone to be destroyed.
Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance."—2 Peter 3:9; see also Matthew 24:21, 22.
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mee
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many people think many things , but when they know the truth about what JW believe they realize that JW stick very closely to what the bible really teaches.
Their beliefs—not mixed with traditions, pagan ideas, or nationalistic ideals—are based entirely on the Bible, which they believe to be the unerring, inspired Word of God.
"All things are delivered to me by my Father. And no one knoweth the Son but the Father: neither doth any one know the Father, but the Son, and he to whom it shall please the Son to reveal him."
Matthew 11:27
"No man hath seen God at any time: the only begotten Son who is in the Bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
John 1:18
If the Son is not God, then it would appear that the Son holds God to ransom.
If the Son is God, then every 'contradiction' of Scripture with regard to the revelation of the Person of God is explained – the Patriarchs, the Prophets ... all saw the Father through the Son, in the Spirit.
Thomas
Matthew 11:27
"No man hath seen God at any time: the only begotten Son who is in the Bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
John 1:18
If the Son is not God, then it would appear that the Son holds God to ransom.
If the Son is God, then every 'contradiction' of Scripture with regard to the revelation of the Person of God is explained – the Patriarchs, the Prophets ... all saw the Father through the Son, in the Spirit.
Thomas