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Welcome to the forum There have been at least two major debates on this issue: http://www.interfaith.org/forum/no-more-messiahs-jesus-pbuh-10532.html http://www.interfaith.org/forum/unreliable-ahadith-regarding-the-return-10616.html Though, the Islam board is almost dead these days I should...

D you are arguing unfairly, and dare I say, hypocritically. You accuse me of infusing my own meanings into a text when you yourself are doing exactly the same thing. For example: I interpreted as the speaker saying there is no escape from God based on the verse that directly precedes this...

yea, but the best fictional pet beagel EVER (and i dont even like dogs!!!)

??? That makes no sense D How can despair exist in place where consciousness doesn't? Clearly, your interpretation of Sheol can not stand. The only reasonable interpretation of Sheol is Hell, i.e. a place of despair. Taking this into consideration, the next point becomes clearer: The verse...

This website has made some pretty weak claims, e.g. But heaven is present in the Psalms itself. Psalm 139:8: "If I ascend to heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there." http://bible.cc/psalms/139-8.htm ^^Compare all the translations if you wish. As for psalm...

I should check out more of his stuff. wiki just doesn't do justice to some folk. lolz stoopid trees, can't even stand still without fallin !

Are you sure? Wiki states the first division as: "That which creates and is not created" From what i've read there, this dude was deemed heretical (unsurprisingly, considering some of his writings.) Still, apparently, he was seriously influential. Thanks for bringing him up though, i'd...

i tried buying a VPN dude!! but it didn't work 4 some reason but no worries ill be out of china in a couple of months

Really? You must have a different version from mine. (either that, or your just taking stuff out of context)

hmmm... conundrum... if i reply about the comments about me, i would risk sidetracking this thread... which i don't want to do... so... im just gonna get back on topic (but thanks for the constructive criticisms + compliments) I was not lumping the two together. But I think I failed to...

Amazing quotes. The second one I think is about existence in the afterlife. Thinking in terms of the physical dynamics of living in a universe in which the second law of thermodynamics does not apply really are mind-boggling *(i.e. trippy) I think one can also use the word "awareness" here...

Is that a subtle clue into this whole line of Kaplanian thought? Doesn't sound like it from this passage of his: "Judaism is the result of natural human development. There is no such thing as divine intervention; Judaism is an evolving religious civilization; Torah was not inspired by God; it...

. i agree with wil, this is a wicked thread Thomas. But you should've picked a better title!!! i almost missed this one cuz of it Remember, this is the same "what" which has never been objectively verified. Can you verify the existence of my "what"? Nope. I am not a Buddhist, but I give...

Actually, they are exactly like them. Sure they do. Where did they get the idea of stoning people for adultery? Is that in the Quran? Nope. They say its in the hadith. But why would the Prophet contradict the Quran? The punishment for adultery is clearly listed in the Quran, therefore, if the...

So your "God" is passive. But you are "active" yourself. Technically, that makes you even more powerful then your "God" (if you wanna try the yin/yang methodology here, go for it) ... whoa... that's deep ! you just like, totally expanded my mind there ! (^^ sarcasm)